1. Stacey I think is a good concept for a character that's been entirely underserved by the writers. As many leaps forward as they made between Breaking Bad and Better Call in crafting well rounded, fully formed female characters with agency and purpose Stacey represents a definite missed opportunity. Unfortunately she often serves almost entirely as a mcguffin of the week for Mike.

  2. I half agree with you in that Kim is the best female character in all of BB/BCS, but I half disagree because I personally thought Skyler was a GREAT character, and Marie was good. To me Stacey is like Cliff or Rich, just a background character without many flaws. It’s the hate from the audience that I find off

  3. Thanks! I swear, I could teach an intro MBA class based on BB/BCS clips. Do NOT get me started on the little meeting Jesse had with Combo, Pete, & Badger to recruit them into the meth sales. That was chef's-kiss perfection.

  4. What if instead of turning herself in for this crime because jimmy and mike are all wrapped up in it, she commits a different crime? Maybe she does something that she knows will get her in trouble on purpose in order to feel some sort of punishment.

  5. That’s a really interesting suggestion! I still feel like the truth about Howard has to come out by the end of the show though for narrative satisfaction

  6. Turn herself in… for what? What charges? And how exactly would she do that without massively implicating Jimmy as well? She would have to admit everything, and Gus and Mike aren’t going to let that happen

  7. All good points! I don’t know the details either although this is the path I’d like her story to go purely for her character. I’d simply hope the writers could find a way to make it make sense…

  8. To add into your insight, Jesse repeated those exact words when he was about to hook Andrea on meth. To describe the effects of meth, he told her it's "to make the feeling last", copying Jane's words, echoing to the happy memory with Jane at the Museum. The feeling he refuses to leave, is haunted by that love story which was corrupted by drugs use. The "I'm the bad guy" thing is him willing to be numbed and immune to the guilt he felt over Jane's death, in order to get sober (in a twisted and misleading self-acceptance) rather than self-destructive (like he initially was in the crack house where Walt found him, telling Walt "I killed her").

  9. I’ve had to digest this comment for hours, thank you for this! I didn’t connect those “making the feeling last” lines at all, you shook me with that one. And your last paragraph is spot on

  10. Both Abby and Ellie were wrong in seeking revenge. However what Abby did to Ellie is WAY worse than what Joel did to Abby. Abby murdered Joel directly in front of Ellie as she was pinned down crying. Joel killed Jerry because he was in the way without Abby being even involved in the situation

  11. well that makes me even more sad. thanks, i hate it. here's an upvote and an award.

  12. Thank you!! I just wanna add I upvote your comments all the time, we’re both hardcore Jesse fans haha

  13. Literally every character in this show gets hate. You’re just adding to it with a comment like this

  14. Very late reply here but I hadn’t gotten to Lalo yet in my binge watch. I’m all caught up now and… geez, lol. Rethinking things

  15. Agreed. The worst thing they did was probably when they blew Jesse off after he got out of rehab, and this was almost immediately punished when Saul finessed his Aunt's house back

  16. No imo the worst thing they did was tell Jesse via the TV to turn himself in after having just escaped 6 months of captivity. Skinny Pete (who was better family to Jesse than them) said it best “I wouldn’t put Jesse Pinkman in another cage”

  17. I respectfully disagree. By ending, I’m assuming you mean the black and white flash forwards? I don’t see how it makes sense thematically at all for him to turn himself in. Granted, the show may lean that direction for the rest of its run, but right now, it doesn’t compute as something that would be satisfying at all.

  18. Yeah that’s the end I meant. I think this whole time Jimmy has been avoiding his real problems (trying to be a “wolf” instead of a “sheep”) by turning to crime. The more he loses his soul the more he becomes Saul (like when Chuck died, or in the future losing Kim). In order to confront/overcome Saul he has to give up that part of himself. But like I said, Jimmy is a complex mind so it’s hard to tell

  19. I hated them at first too. But after a few rewatches it becomes very clear it’s Jesse who is the problem.

  20. They never gave Jesse proper attention. They never gave him the actual help he needed, which is understanding.

  21. I’m super late to this thread but could I ask—was there ever a “right” time for Joel to tell Ellie the Firefly truth? He probably thought she’d run away, only danger and hurt could come from it, etc. (which it did) I don’t know how he could’ve broken it to her well

  22. the same applies to people who see Jesse in a good light, the dude was a drug trafficker and dealer, he deserved every bad thing that happened to him. killing mike was between him and Walt, nothing to do with Jesse, its business, mike was in the game as he always said, Jesse too but he was such a pussy. I'm not defending Walt, but this shit about him been bad to Jesse is just crap, he always protected him and cared for him, making bad decisions just to keep Jesse alive and in the business. if Jesse was so moved by the killing of the kid he could had killed Todd but he didn't, not until the ending, not walts fault.

  23. “The same” does not apply to Jesse, he didn’t turn into a murderous sociopath like Walt. Walt killing Mike WAS about Jesse. The director of the episode confirmed it, plus built up to that moment with Walt being jealous of Mike and Jesse’s relationship. Walt was angry Mike gave Jesse the confidence to leave the business

  24. Maybe he wasn't a killer, but he wasn't a saint eater, he made drugs, which kids would end up using, just watch the episode when he "killed the junkie" with the ATM, he contributes to the poor kids life.

  25. No one said he was a saint. But I wouldn’t say selling drugs makes him responsible for what addicts do with it. That type of logic is so flimsy, it’s why I always disagree with people who say things like “Walt killed Hank.” No, Walt didn’t—Jack did. Just because your one action somehow contributes to something else doesn’t mean you caused it

  26. It’s a healthy thing to incorporate new words into your vocabulary, but not while insulting a person, while pretending that you knew the meaning of the word, and it was obvious to you, but not the other person, even though you’d just learned the word yourself.

  27. Not sure what you’re on about but Jesse didn’t do that

  28. I missed BB when it originally aired. Watched the first 5 seasons of BCS. Then watched all of BB. I definitely have a different take on this season knowing how it all ends. I'm probably the only person who did it this way

  29. Your perspective is super interesting to me so could I ask how did watching BB change how you felt about BCS? And also why did you watch BCS first?

  30. I mean he did try to get people in rehab hooked again. He was charismatic and went through some bad shit at the end, but Jesse was a pretty terrible person. This sounds in character.

  31. I don’t think that plot was there for no reason. Jesse was trying to deal with the massive trauma of believing he was responsible for his girlfriend dying + her grieving father accidentally killing 167 people. The idea of “self-acceptance” blew his mind and he was trying to force it by embracing his status as “the bad guy.” As soon as he had the opportunity to actually go through with selling to someone, he couldn’t

  32. What would have been the fun in that? Her poisoning was a great moment.

  33. some of us would rather see Jesse not be an abused slave 😩

  34. Gotta bring the characters to their lowest point for the end to have the greatest impact.

  35. True it’s just that Jesse’s point was SO LOW it was painful

  36. I agree it’s not that simple. But what it comes down to is: Walt was only in danger because he saved Jesse’s life. No one had ever done anything like that for Jesse before. It didn’t matter what Walt did besides that, Jesse felt majorly indebted to him now. Walt called him and in the moment he did the only thing he could bear to do

  37. Yes, Walt saved Jesse's life. Walt was then in mortal danger as a result but again Jesse had given him an option to save himself without having to kill anyone, yet Walt denied that option and chose the murder someone choice. Just because Walt saved Jesse's life doesn't now make it any less murder for Jesse to take the murder someone choice himself.

  38. I don’t think we’re going to reach a conclusion on this, lol. I’ll just say all this has nothing to do with Hank’s treatment of Jesse anyway. Hank killed people, same as Jesse. Hank broke the law, same as Jesse. Hank just looked down on “junkies” and drug dealers. He saw the world as black and white without considering what could lead good people down dark paths. If Hank started to treat Jesse decently once they were on the same side, I would’ve liked him

  39. I LOVE THEM TOO. They were the pair I was comparing them to in my mind before posting this! I don’t think they beat Walt and Jesse though, at least not in terms of complexity

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