I've been calling this game ultimate tic tac toe for a decade. I just figured it was the name a random kid in my math class gave it. I never knew that was the real name. Wild.
I thought the same thing until I actually played it. It's pretty hard to tie when you're not always guaranteed the same amount of moves in each 3x3 grid
Ultimate Tic Tac Toe, or what my family calls Tic Tac Ten. Players place their marker in one of the small boards, and that dictates which board the opponent must play in next. For example, let's say I place an X in the upper-right-hand corner of the middle board. Your move then must play an O in a square in the upper-right-hand board. You choice not only affects that board's game; it dictates which board I must play on next.
It's actually unknown. Ultimate tic tac toe has not been solved yet and resists Brute force examination. It's a fairly tricky game for computers to play well.
then you take nine of those and then take nine of the results and then just repeat that a lot of times and you will have a nice and long game of tic tac toe
So there's this game called "otrio" that I have, that is essentially 3dimensional tictactoe. But instead of actually having a height to it, the pieces are concentric colored rings. You have three of each size big-medium-small, and you have to get either three of the same size in a row, three in ascending/descending size in a row, or all three concentric in the same spot.
How many pieces do you need to ensure not running out during a game? Seems like you wouldn’t need 100% of the spots, but I don’t know how you would figure out how many of each you need.
If I printed this, I'd make 7 * 9 = 63 each of the small ones and 7 * 1 = 7 each of the big ones. My rationale for this is that in an extreme case, you could place six tokens of one color in a grid without winning. Thus you'd need a seventh one to clearly win that one every time. Now, I'm not saying that any sane human being would place six of their own tokens in a grid and not win in a single tic tac toe game (because in a normal tic tac toe game you could only ever place five tokens at most in a single grid), but in this game you could strategically do this to send your opponent to a certain local grid even though another move would make you win your current local grid. Also, if you played against a really bad computer or something, it could be that it would just by random chance place its tokens in such a way that six per grid aren't enough. So yeah, highly highly unlikely that you'd ever need all 63 small ones or all 7 big ones per color but this way you'd always be on the safe side.
OP is actually popular in Japan. Local minor celebrity, but he wouldn't tell you that! His ancestor, Shintick Tactoe, was a samurai general that quickly created the game to keep the village kids quiet and distracted during an invasion of a ninja clan. The samurai were able to remain hidden long enough to exact a counter offensive and win, and the game was celebrated and named after him in his honour. Many women thanked him and joked about how they were able to get some peace and quiet as their young children were able to grasp the concept and play together quietly but not able to grasp how to tie games yet.
another layer pls
3x3 Tic Tac Toe
How would a third layer even work, strategically? Is it even possible?
For that th OP would need to do another 8 bottom and moddle layers plus all the pieces. Mad lad!
Ultimate Tic Tac Toe 2 real!!!
I play that triple tictactoe but on paper and it is almost every time a draw
The shortest possible game would take 54 rounds...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tic-tac-toe
Holy shit my head has never hurt understanding tictactoe until now
Woah I remember coming up with this when I was a kid and playing it with my friends, didnt know that was a real thing lol
I've been calling this game ultimate tic tac toe for a decade. I just figured it was the name a random kid in my math class gave it. I never knew that was the real name. Wild.
STL link? I love it- I found something on thingiverse but doesn’t look like the same.
I plan to put it up on Thingiverse and Printables soon
Only critique is shouldn’t the global board Xs and Os fill the square?
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
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What happens if there are only ties?
Every single game of tic tac toe should be a tie.
Have a read of the rules
Our “house rules” makes the Global Square unobtainable by either player. However, we have yet to have it happen.
Ever seen War Games? That.
I thought the same thing until I actually played it. It's pretty hard to tie when you're not always guaranteed the same amount of moves in each 3x3 grid
idk for sure but I think the rules of placement mean there is no way to tie a game, or maybe its just much more unlikely
Then the X's, and the O, O, O's they haunt me
Now make it 3D
It is 100% 3D printed
Tesseract tac toe
You mean 3D like
Oh god, a connect 4 version of ultimate tic-tac-toe!
I. Love. This.
Now add another larger layer
Tic Metac Toe
Oh god, that would take so long to play.
I can't find definitive rules on what happens if a local board is tied. Does it count for both? Neither?
I could not find anything either. House rules I guess.
The rules seem clear to me.
this is beyond cool 🔥🔥 i wanna print it
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
Tic Fractal Toe
what in the electoral college hell is this
Ultimate Tic Tac Toe, or what my family calls Tic Tac Ten. Players place their marker in one of the small boards, and that dictates which board the opponent must play in next. For example, let's say I place an X in the upper-right-hand corner of the middle board. Your move then must play an O in a square in the upper-right-hand board. You choice not only affects that board's game; it dictates which board I must play on next.
There’s apps you can try playing this if you want: Tic-Tac-Toe2(squared) and Ultimate Tic Tac Toe are a couple examples. It’s pretty challenging!
No way, tic tac toe 2.0 is real
What do you do if the section ends in a tie
It stays empty. So yes, it's possible to reach a state where the global board is unwinnable before the game is otherwise completed.
what happens if one of the miniboards end in a draw?
It should always be possible to lock in a draw, right? Like, you can only lose tic tac toe by being inattentive, right?
No, check out the rules elsewhere in this thread. Ultimate Tic Tac Toe a.k.a. Tic Tac Ten has extra rules that make it much more strategic.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1583910/Tic_Tac_Together/
Does everyone in a group have to buy it to play?
The intro video of that steam games suggests it is a different game, rather than
Still always ends in a draw!
It's actually unknown. Ultimate tic tac toe has not been solved yet and resists Brute force examination. It's a fairly tricky game for computers to play well.
Nope the small board you play on is determined by your opponent's last move so a board could wind up only getting played by one side.
This is great, is there an STL out there somewhere or must I make it myself?
Quote OP: I plan to put it up on Thingiverse and Printables soon
https://www.printables.com/en/model/19272-ultimate-tic-tac-toe
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
This reminded me of a video, highly suggest Oats Jenkins video “I Made BETTER Tic-Tac-Toe”
Very cool, reminds me of this video: Life in life
OMG!!! So cool! Where did you find the stl/gcode?
It’s an original design. Will be posting to Printables in near future.
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
This is actually quite an interesting concept of a game, I'd love an STL!
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
Is the idea to play all 3 at the same time? Or one game at a time to completion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tic-tac-toe
Make 8 more for super-ultimate tic-tac-toe
is it still a foregone conclusion like simple tic-tac-toe?
Depends on how you choose to implement a particular rule. One way, a perfect player will always win if they go first. The other way is yet unsolved.
This makes my head hurt more than when I tried playing Triominoes (it's three sided Dominoes) way back in my teens.
Tick-tack-toe prime
You should've designed the Xs and Os with a solid border around them so that they fit neatly into the slots
Craig of the creek be like:
This is actually what a drawn out tic tac toe algorithm looks like.
Would love the STL for this. Would make an amazing Christmas present
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
I played that once. The moment I realized I could force the other side to let me win in a few moves was great.
The only way to win is not to play
Holly cow I thought I was the only one who played this!!! STL PLEASE!!!!!
I didn't realise ultimate tic tac toe was the name, I only found it from the app "Tix tax" so assumed that was it
We used to have this as a board game. It was called "Tic Tac Toe Times Ten."
Tic Tac Foot
then you take nine of those and then take nine of the results and then just repeat that a lot of times and you will have a nice and long game of tic tac toe
Honest question. Who loses at tic tac toe?
The human. Or there's a draw.
Not as good as drawing out 16 4x4 grids on a single sheet of paper for a brain-melting game of 4x4x4x4.
Why is it called tic tac toe, when it‘s really just x and o.
For how many players this game is?
As if anyone's ever won a game of tic tac toe lol
For real though… Does this really make it any more complex than a normal tic tac toe? Like strategy wise there is nothing new?!
It does add a bit of complexity, this isn't a new version of the game or anything and there are apps that work this way if you want to try it.
Tic tac toe tac toe
I was thinking tic tac toe tac-tic
Ah, the game of games.
There was an app called Tic-Tactics that was basically this game and I loved it!
Yo dawg I heard you like tic-tac-toe.
om my goodness I want to print this for my house now!!
Meta tic tac toe. It's an "open" game, mathematically, meaning no optimal strategy has been identified.
So there's this game called "otrio" that I have, that is essentially 3dimensional tictactoe. But instead of actually having a height to it, the pieces are concentric colored rings. You have three of each size big-medium-small, and you have to get either three of the same size in a row, three in ascending/descending size in a row, or all three concentric in the same spot.
I love this version of the game, much more planning and looking ahead but still with simple rules
Do you play each game in a row or can you take a turn in any of the games at any time
Neither.
Amazing
How many pieces do you need to ensure not running out during a game? Seems like you wouldn’t need 100% of the spots, but I don’t know how you would figure out how many of each you need.
I went with 6 each of the large pieces, and 41 each of the small pieces.
If I printed this, I'd make 7 * 9 = 63 each of the small ones and 7 * 1 = 7 each of the big ones. My rationale for this is that in an extreme case, you could place six tokens of one color in a grid without winning. Thus you'd need a seventh one to clearly win that one every time. Now, I'm not saying that any sane human being would place six of their own tokens in a grid and not win in a single tic tac toe game (because in a normal tic tac toe game you could only ever place five tokens at most in a single grid), but in this game you could strategically do this to send your opponent to a certain local grid even though another move would make you win your current local grid. Also, if you played against a really bad computer or something, it could be that it would just by random chance place its tokens in such a way that six per grid aren't enough. So yeah, highly highly unlikely that you'd ever need all 63 small ones or all 7 big ones per color but this way you'd always be on the safe side.
Could you also use it for Quantum Tic Tac Toe as well?!
Just looked at the Wiki page for Quantum…looks like this board could accommodate that game too.
A STL model would be wild if you can share?
https://www.printables.com/model/327712-ultimate-tic-tac-toe-xs-os
How is there not a sub for this game yet?
TicTacTicTacToe
that's pretty awesome
In the top middle how are there 3 blue circles but only 1 red x? There should at least be 2 red x’s
Did you use filament as the fastener in your case like the original design or is it resized and needs something different?
It is being held by 2 screws
OP is actually popular in Japan. Local minor celebrity, but he wouldn't tell you that! His ancestor, Shintick Tactoe, was a samurai general that quickly created the game to keep the village kids quiet and distracted during an invasion of a ninja clan. The samurai were able to remain hidden long enough to exact a counter offensive and win, and the game was celebrated and named after him in his honour. Many women thanked him and joked about how they were able to get some peace and quiet as their young children were able to grasp the concept and play together quietly but not able to grasp how to tie games yet.
If you're going to pretend something is Japanese, it would help to pick a name that is not impossible to write in that language.
Considering that each tic tac toe game end in draw (unless you dont know how to play), how exactly the upper layer works?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tic-tac-toe
This just seems like tic tac toe…. With more steps.
It is. But those steps are importantly what make it not just tic tac toe.
Anyone who loses a game of tic tac toe is a moron.
Almost all of them will be empty because of draws