Regardless of if he's the answer or not we are likely with him for another year. Getting rid of him is one thing, it's another to replace him with someone who's better. Sure we can take a run at guys in FA but not great odds of them coming
The argument here is that both of those guys have more weapons which I agree with. The counter-argument is that both of those dudes balled out almost immediately as rookies and built on that momentum.
Our hell of a schedule combined with our really bad luck with injuries and sickness ultimately did us in. This happened to the 49ers a couple years back after they made the Super Bowl too. Sucks, but it happens.
Myles already lost that chance. A couple weeks ago he had the best odds, in Vegas, to win it. Now he isn't even in the top 5. He hasn't done much the past couple weeks
I dunno about everyone else, but I’d rather Baker start recovering and preparing for next year and the team solidify its draft position to be able to make the push next year that we thought we’d be making this year.
Nah. He wanted to play hurt so let him finish the season out. He is still being evaluated and we need the largest sample size there is including how he plays when we are out of the playoff hunt
Thing is that there's not a lot to gain from being 10th. It is Williams, Garrett, or Burks, and a lot of it depends on the fit. Additionally not a lot of teams before us will look for a WR, maybe the saints maybe the Jags.
We have nothing left to play for but pride and idk if this team actually has any. It’ll be interesting to see if Stefanski can keep their heads in it or if they just get steamrolled
I'm guessing they're going to get destroyed tomorrow. The sealer is at least want to play for Big Ben's last game. The Browns have absolutely nothing to play for. I'm sure most of the team just wants to pack it in and go home for the off-season. I'm not sure why we even play baker right now. My wrist can get any more hurt for absolutely nothing. Have him get his surgery now. See how things go next year. Franchise him if he's good and work out a deal. If he's bad, then add some more names to the field quarterback list, and just a bunch of more failures for the next 20 years.
I have no idea what the Bengals coach was thinking going for it on 4th down. Has a chief's not committed that stupid flute penalty, they would have had the ball with 90 seconds to go get a field goal to win or just sit out and go into overtime. Still, by luck it worked out for the Bengals.
I also want to say I hate this whole narrative that we need to lose the next two games and just get whatever pick we can. Two things about that. 1 wins mean more to me than a draft pick number because it reflects better on our team and 2 why the fuck does anyone assume just because we get a better number we will do anything great with it. Look at the amount of bullshit we have drafted at good numbers. The order number hasn't mattered to us.
Lol, everyone here wants a good WR. If you lose the next two games, there is a pretty good chance you might be picking 10-12 if you lose out. You would definitely be able to get a good WR.
Growing up in NEO, I thought that until I went to college. Got more exposure to Kentucky Bengals and Reds fans there. They are by and large, insufferable.
I have absolutely no desire to even watch any more games. Like I’m not even talking about just Browns games. I’ll probably just skip the post season all together.
Yep, that's how things roll in the NFL. We only got trucked twice this year. Every other game was close enough to win, win half of those and we're golden. Instead, we lost them all.
By losing, they all but eliminated us from the playoff race. Of course I'm gonna be irritated with them, they led for long stretches of that game. Also, why would I be fair to the chiefs, they have their franchise QB and lombardi trophy, they don't care what browns fans think.
I'll say this. Im obviously pissed the chiefs decided guarding a good wr didn't matter and they lost, but all in all if we just win a few of those games we should have won (Ravens first game, Packers, several others) then it doesn't matter and we don't NEED this to happen. This happening is a product of our own failures too and im not going to blame refs, im not gonna blame other teams. ITS ON US. Its as simple as that to me and it sucks but im still rooting for these last two games.
So many games that you can look back on that we should have finished that if just one goes differently we are still totally in it. For me the raiders one is a biggest whiff. But either way we had so many chances and just couldn't come through. It sucks.
I’m kinda perplexed why the Chiefs didn’t just let Cincy score on the first play at the goalline. Especially when you have the Best qb in the NFL, 2 min and 2 TO’s.
Yeah, that was bizarre... And then the Bengals coach going forward on 4th down? Was there a lack of oxygen on the field or something that made the coaches that stupid? They both acted like idiots there.
Too many blown games this season. Literally just winning one of Kansas City, LAC, Pittsburgh, at Baltimore, Vegas or Green Bay and we’d still be alive.
It's really kind of a joke how long it's been since we've won the division. What in the hell did we go 1-31 for????? The Bengals hit a home run when they drafted Joe Burrow while we hit a single when we drafted Baker.
Jesus you act like we went 1 and 31 followed by 1 and 31 again. You don't see a foundation for a successful team at all here? If thats the case this is by far one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard.
Browns got jobbed by the Refs so hard this year. We couldn't overcome the adversity of Baker's injury and the games being rigged against us or the incompetency of the refs. Because it the calls that went against us weren't close.
Well being the Bengals makes it worse. That really shows how inept our entire organization is. The fucking Bungals can win the division, but for some reason we are 100% incapable of that.
What we just saw from the Bengals… a team with real QB, and a team that can actually produce when needed. Hats off to them, clearly deserving of the division.
When Denver loses today, and there well on their way to getting destroyed, That pretty much ends it. They have to win the next two games, and we have to win the next two games. The broncos are wrecked by covid in their starting quarterback is out. A fat lady is already singing.
Yea too inconsistent. They need another year or so to flesh that out. Area KS needs to improve on and hopefully he will. If they show up next season just as inconsistent...then I'm going to start worrying
well, on a positive note we don't have to worry about getting smashed in the playoffs and we can enjoy watching the Brandon Allen led Bengals lose in the first round as is tradition
LOL CHIEFS JUST GUARDING CHASE WITH 1 MAN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN GAME. NO ONE IS THAT FUCKING STUPID THE WHOLE GOD DAMN YEAR. 3RD AND 27 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOT GIVE UP 30 GOD DAMN YARDS. 30 GOD DAMN YARDS. FUCK YOU ANDY.
That’s disgusting. Imagine winning a game based off a refs decision. That’s 100% what happened. The Bengals did nothing to deserve that. Absolutely disgusting.
You mean outscoring the Chiefs in the second half to tie the game and give themselves a chance to win is "nothing"? It was a shit call but to say the Bengals didn't deserve to win is just silly.
Ravens Loss ✅
Burrow is an absolute savage. Can you imagine if he had our offensive line?
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How could anyone think Baker is the answer when you see Burrow and Herbert play so well in their second year?
Because I think Baker has been affected by a torn labrum this year and hasn’t been able to establish any consistent rhythm in the offense
Regardless of if he's the answer or not we are likely with him for another year. Getting rid of him is one thing, it's another to replace him with someone who's better. Sure we can take a run at guys in FA but not great odds of them coming
The argument here is that both of those guys have more weapons which I agree with. The counter-argument is that both of those dudes balled out almost immediately as rookies and built on that momentum.
Exactly
Ok, with the Chargers currently up 27-6 over the Broncos with 11 minutes left have we come to terms with not being in the playoffs?
Agreed, let's end this season with a winning record
Chargers aren't going to lose.
The whole team and players need to be evaluated after this waste of a season.
Well pending some magic from the FO it’s definitely gonna be Baker again, so we’ll see how it goes. I’m not optimistic honestly.
It's over now
Damn.
It’s such a Browns thing for the COVID rules to change a week after it fucks the Browns
I don’t even think the outcome changes for that Raiders game even with our personnel if I’m being honest.
10 wins won the division. We couldn’t even get 10.
Our hell of a schedule combined with our really bad luck with injuries and sickness ultimately did us in. This happened to the 49ers a couple years back after they made the Super Bowl too. Sucks, but it happens.
I can't wait for the Sefanski presser where he says... "we still have a lot to play for"...
Well…AB is available now how desperate are we for WR? 😂
Id rather resign Greg Little and Braylon Edwards than bring him in. At least they won’t storm off the field like he did.
Pass
I mean the chiefs barely beat us in the playoffs, barely beat us week 1, and then the one time we need them to win they don’t.
Their defense is pretty garbage… can’t expect teams to bail us out. I’m not even sure we win the next 2 anyway.
We’re really going have to wait 18 years for our next playoff appearance aren’t we….
Indeed we are... We've just been eliminated with 2 weeks left. How sad is that lol...
I would rather be put out of my misery now for the playoffs than watch us lose tomorrow and fuck it up ourselves.
At least Baltimore and Pittsburgh won’t get the North this year. Let’s kick Pittsburgh’s ass tomorrow
God it would be great to contribute to them having a losing season for the first time in ages
I think there’s still a chance the Browns make it. What needs to happen?
Scroll through the sub posts and you’ll see it
Welp even if we are out of the playoff, I hope we absolutely destroy the Steelers and give Myles a good chance to get DPOY
Myles already lost that chance. A couple weeks ago he had the best odds, in Vegas, to win it. Now he isn't even in the top 5. He hasn't done much the past couple weeks
I dunno about everyone else, but I’d rather Baker start recovering and preparing for next year and the team solidify its draft position to be able to make the push next year that we thought we’d be making this year.
Nah. He wanted to play hurt so let him finish the season out. He is still being evaluated and we need the largest sample size there is including how he plays when we are out of the playoff hunt
Someday this team will dominate week in and week out, season after season….. probably when I’m dead
How many Browns fans have gone to their graves still holding this earnest belief
RIP Dan Reeves
That bengals game alone is why we should 100 percent extend ward someone she to cover chase for the next decade ☠️
How I wish we had a quarterback as good as Burrow
I would trade baker and 3 firsts for him tomorrow If we could. He’s that guy.
Gonna be some crazy behind the scenes Browns dirt being exposed once this season is over. That’s all we know for sure
but... but.... WiNnInG CuLtUrE
I don’t think so. Odell is gone
Browns are currently picking 13th in the draft right now. There is a chance they will pick 10 if we lose the next two games.
Thing is that there's not a lot to gain from being 10th. It is Williams, Garrett, or Burks, and a lot of it depends on the fit. Additionally not a lot of teams before us will look for a WR, maybe the saints maybe the Jags.
Stamping all over Big Ben's last game means more to me than rising 3 places in the draft
Broncos beat Chargers, Browns beat Steelers, Browns beat Bengals, Patriots beat dolphins, Broncos beat Chiefs, Chargers beat Raiders and Browns get the wild card
We have nothing left to play for but pride and idk if this team actually has any. It’ll be interesting to see if Stefanski can keep their heads in it or if they just get steamrolled
I'm guessing they're going to get destroyed tomorrow. The sealer is at least want to play for Big Ben's last game. The Browns have absolutely nothing to play for. I'm sure most of the team just wants to pack it in and go home for the off-season. I'm not sure why we even play baker right now. My wrist can get any more hurt for absolutely nothing. Have him get his surgery now. See how things go next year. Franchise him if he's good and work out a deal. If he's bad, then add some more names to the field quarterback list, and just a bunch of more failures for the next 20 years.
For people wanting to move on from Baker, who do you think we bring in?
Maybe we can get that A&M kid that hurt himself yesterday lower in the draft. There isn't much out there.
Not like the browns would put two wins together to close the season anyways
Well we are out of the playoffs, so there is only one thing to do.
No, we need to lose and get a higher draft pick.
Outside of the refs being ass that was some of the worst game management and defense I’ve ever seen by Andy Reid and the chiefs wtf were they doing
I have no idea what the Bengals coach was thinking going for it on 4th down. Has a chief's not committed that stupid flute penalty, they would have had the ball with 90 seconds to go get a field goal to win or just sit out and go into overtime. Still, by luck it worked out for the Bengals.
Of all the reasons to cut Antonio Brown, today isn't one of them lol.
I also want to say I hate this whole narrative that we need to lose the next two games and just get whatever pick we can. Two things about that. 1 wins mean more to me than a draft pick number because it reflects better on our team and 2 why the fuck does anyone assume just because we get a better number we will do anything great with it. Look at the amount of bullshit we have drafted at good numbers. The order number hasn't mattered to us.
Lol, everyone here wants a good WR. If you lose the next two games, there is a pretty good chance you might be picking 10-12 if you lose out. You would definitely be able to get a good WR.
I don’t want to lose but remember m that if we finish in last, we play the 3 other last place AFC teams next year too. That’s a benefit
I know some Browns fans root for the Bengals as our little brother. I’m not one of those fans. I live in Cincy and if you did too you’d understand.
Growing up in NEO, I thought that until I went to college. Got more exposure to Kentucky Bengals and Reds fans there. They are by and large, insufferable.
Urban Artifact is pretty good tho
I do too and they’re insufferable
Watching Burrow vs. Baker is alarming.
Its almost like one has needed surgery since week 2, and the other has elite offensive weapons
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So much cry baby entitlement here.
That illegal hands to the face was horrible, refs deciding the game for them.
I have absolutely no desire to even watch any more games. Like I’m not even talking about just Browns games. I’ll probably just skip the post season all together.
Yeah, me too. The football season is done for me. Who am I going to watch now? The Bengals? Yeah right...
You're probably smart for not watching Baker go 12 for 35 for 127 and 2 INTs
Today is the result of what happens when you lose 6 games by 6 points or less. Pull two of those out and we're in the playoffs.
Yep, that's how things roll in the NFL. We only got trucked twice this year. Every other game was close enough to win, win half of those and we're golden. Instead, we lost them all.
I can’t believe how many people in here are mad at the chiefs…. If you can’t get into the playoffs through your own fate, you don’t belong in it.
How do you hold on that fourth down play? The Bengals are stupid by going forward on 4th down, and you can't take advantage? Ridiculous.
By losing, they all but eliminated us from the playoff race. Of course I'm gonna be irritated with them, they led for long stretches of that game. Also, why would I be fair to the chiefs, they have their franchise QB and lombardi trophy, they don't care what browns fans think.
Andy Reid is a dumbass
Play Baker the rest of the way to keep seeing what he can do and also give us the best chance of losing.
LOL. They will not do this
Browns didn’t deserve a chance this year. Complete waste of talent. I’m so tired of giving this piss poor team my money.
Don’t even care about these next 2 games. What a disappointing season
I agree. I could care less about the Steelers game tomorrow.
I'll say this. Im obviously pissed the chiefs decided guarding a good wr didn't matter and they lost, but all in all if we just win a few of those games we should have won (Ravens first game, Packers, several others) then it doesn't matter and we don't NEED this to happen. This happening is a product of our own failures too and im not going to blame refs, im not gonna blame other teams. ITS ON US. Its as simple as that to me and it sucks but im still rooting for these last two games.
So many games that you can look back on that we should have finished that if just one goes differently we are still totally in it. For me the raiders one is a biggest whiff. But either way we had so many chances and just couldn't come through. It sucks.
The Ravens and Steelers games will haunt me. Held them to 16 and 15 points respectively and found a way to lose both.
4 turnovers against the Ravens and we lose is the one that burns me the most. It literally was handed to us on a platter and we did jack shit with it.
I’m kinda perplexed why the Chiefs didn’t just let Cincy score on the first play at the goalline. Especially when you have the Best qb in the NFL, 2 min and 2 TO’s.
Yeah, that was bizarre... And then the Bengals coach going forward on 4th down? Was there a lack of oxygen on the field or something that made the coaches that stupid? They both acted like idiots there.
Look at what Burrow has done the last two weeks to lead the Bengals to a divisional title. Anybody think Baker can do that?
You can as easily credit Chase
Too many blown games this season. Literally just winning one of Kansas City, LAC, Pittsburgh, at Baltimore, Vegas or Green Bay and we’d still be alive.
It's really kind of a joke how long it's been since we've won the division. What in the hell did we go 1-31 for????? The Bengals hit a home run when they drafted Joe Burrow while we hit a single when we drafted Baker.
Jesus you act like we went 1 and 31 followed by 1 and 31 again. You don't see a foundation for a successful team at all here? If thats the case this is by far one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard.
Well Antonio Brown is available I guess
At this point our first back to back winning season in ages is still in play. That would still be cool
Ha!!!! really?? That's what we want to hang our hats on lol.... Goals I guess
I was screaming at my TV for Andy Reid to let them score. I couldn’t believe it. They could have had a minute and a half to score lol
We need to lose the next two games. I do not care. Higher draft picks are more important now than winning.
Reddit servers shitting the bed worse than the Chiefs D
People using the refs as an excuse and not our subpar & inconsistent performance over the entire season, please stop
Shut baker down and get him his surgery. He need time to heal.
*Ship him out
Too bad we don’t have a QB Like joe
Or a defence for the first half of the season, or recievers who can hold onto the ball
Too bad we don’t have a WR like chase. Or boyd. Or Higgins.
Ok, so what totally unlikely permutation is still possible for us?
Broncos win out, Dolphins lose to Pats, Chargers beat Raiders. Broncos have to beat Chargers and Chiefs.
We need the Broncos to win their last two to even have a chance. Against LAC and KC. With hella Broncos out with COVID on defense. Fuck.
Ok, so what totally unlikely permutation is still possible for us?
Well, considering we lost to just about every wild card contender in the AFC, we need every decent team to lose
We need the Broncos to win their last two to even have a chance. Against LAC and KC. With hella Broncos out with COVID on defense. Fuck.
Shut baker down and get him his surgery. He need time to heal.
Browns got jobbed by the Refs so hard this year. We couldn't overcome the adversity of Baker's injury and the games being rigged against us or the incompetency of the refs. Because it the calls that went against us weren't close.
Stop blaming everything on everybody else. Our players and coaches are just as much to blame.
Yeah not our shitty ass play every week.
Well at least it's not the ravens or steelers.
Well being the Bengals makes it worse. That really shows how inept our entire organization is. The fucking Bungals can win the division, but for some reason we are 100% incapable of that.
Yeah, I like the bengals and they’d definitely be my team if CLE didn’t exist
Fuck the Bengals and fuck Joe Burrow
I can't believe there was a flag on the 4th down play.
Fuck stefanski fuck Baker fuck Odell fuck Jarvis fuck this team for letting the Bengals blow past their rebuild period.
What we just saw from the Bengals… a team with real QB, and a team that can actually produce when needed. Hats off to them, clearly deserving of the division.
Exactly. Really hurts because it felt like it was supposed to be ours this year. A lesson in being a Browns fan I guess
Tank. Baker gets surgery tomorrow
Out of morbid curiosity what is the convoluted wildcard scenario that still exists for us
When Denver loses today, and there well on their way to getting destroyed, That pretty much ends it. They have to win the next two games, and we have to win the next two games. The broncos are wrecked by covid in their starting quarterback is out. A fat lady is already singing.
In short: we need everyone to lose next week
Browns let us down this year hard. The only way they could do worse is drop the next two.
The Refs win the AFC north!!
Lol we never looked like a playoff team this year anyway, unfortunately.
Yea too inconsistent. They need another year or so to flesh that out. Area KS needs to improve on and hopefully he will. If they show up next season just as inconsistent...then I'm going to start worrying
Tank the next two games and draft Garrett Wilson.
season over for the Browns
The one time we needed the chiefs to win and they couldnt do it
well, on a positive note we don't have to worry about getting smashed in the playoffs and we can enjoy watching the Brandon Allen led Bengals lose in the first round as is tradition
There was prob so much money on the chiefs this league rigged my guys
Imagine burrow is hurt and we get to watch fucking Brandon Allen in the playoffs cause of a bullshit call
Pain.
Would rather the bengals win the division than the rat birds or the Steelers
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You guys hate on joe woods well look what you could have. KC let their bad corner cover chase 1 on 1 all game
Kansas city's defense s***, but at least they're offense can keep up, unlike ours.
Fuck Andy Reid.
I feel for KC. Underserved for Cinci.
Season over. Not watching the game tomorrow.
That's dumb.
All those great stops and they piss it up the wall with stupid penalties. GG KC you assholes
It’s our fault, not the Chiefs or the Bengals
Agreed. The fact that we were still in it for this long despite how much we've struggled this season is honestly a miracle.
In fact it’s more direct, it’s Baker’s fault.
Ultimately, yes. Still sucks, though.
Never should've been in this spot. We had so many chances and squandered them.
Fuck the Chiefs
Sickener but Bengals deserved it. Their offense is amazing.
We can still send Big Ben out with an L tomorrow
Honestly at this point I could care less.
If we can take the Steelers out with us then that’s a silver lining
Burn it down for all I care, fuck the browns
Finally, this fucking garbage season is done. Wont be watching tomorrow night. What a feeling.
I know it won’t matter, but I hope we beat the snot out of them next week
Fuck Kansas City. Fucking losers
So there’s no way we can get into the playoffs now?
we still can get in, just way harder
LOL CHIEFS JUST GUARDING CHASE WITH 1 MAN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN GAME. NO ONE IS THAT FUCKING STUPID THE WHOLE GOD DAMN YEAR. 3RD AND 27 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOT GIVE UP 30 GOD DAMN YARDS. 30 GOD DAMN YARDS. FUCK YOU ANDY.
Ridiculous
Can't believe we wasted Baker all year for nothing
Some years u get fucked by the refs and the other team in the division gets all the calls…
Lets post some draft picks
KC decides to shit the bed. RIP
GGs boys see you next year.
Fucking bungles
Well that sucks. Preemptive fuck you bungles coming in here and hope you lose first round
That’s disgusting. Imagine winning a game based off a refs decision. That’s 100% what happened. The Bengals did nothing to deserve that. Absolutely disgusting.
You mean outscoring the Chiefs in the second half to tie the game and give themselves a chance to win is "nothing"? It was a shit call but to say the Bengals didn't deserve to win is just silly.
Chiefs defense worst I’ve ever seen fucking pathetic lol
That defense was able to stop us
Yeah like compete dogshit
Fuck
Well, onto next season
And possibly QB.