Just pointing out that in the USA chlorphenamine is spelled chlorpheniramine, in case you're looking for it in a pharmacy. My store sells it OTC for about 4 dollars for 100 tabs.
Wow that’s an amazing amount of research.It’s so tough to know what direction to go because I’ve spent so much on so many different things.I’m starting patterson protocol next week hoping it helps.Main symptoms are extreme fatigue and SOB.Thanks so much for taking the time to post all this info and I’m so happy your recovering well.
I do think Patterson is on the right track and just chose a different antiviral. We want ________ potent antiviral + the support supplements (foundation) + neuro specific
It definitely wasn't time, after 2 years things were only getting worse. It also wasn't just supplements, it was key medication + key support supplements
Thank you for these recommendations and taking the time to share them. I also appreciate the words of encouragement! As far as staying active, were you pacing at a consistent level of activity or were you incrementally increasing activity very gradually. I credit the fact that I am around 100 days into this (not sure if I will be mid haul or long haul) and have not suffered a major crash because I followed fellow LH Redditors' advice to rest up - Extreme Rest. If I did overdo it a little, I'd feel sleepy and lay on the couch but later in the day or the next I feel recovered. Thankfully due to that, I have not developed day-long fatigue that is either annoying or debilitating. I walk my dog and take him to the dog park (I thank God for him, he helps my state of mind!). That is widely spread out over the day so in the end my watch tells me I walk 2 miles a day doing that along with walking in the house. I am a runner and of course have not been able to run with this and also do HITT workouts and traditional weightlifting when I am "normal." A pulmonologist (not that he knows anything) told me that he thought the virus ate muscle leading to weakness and doing some light weights in limited fashion makes sense but have not tried that. Thanks again.
Chlorphenamine was by far the game changer. It relieved the pressure which in my case wrapped all the way around my chest into my neck and back. I could finally breathe all the way in. I don't have the words to describe the tightness, but the relief was incredible. Many others are getting the same relief (always within the first few days).
VERY roughly 2 to 3 months due to the debilitating bilateral foot pain. There are no words for the excruciating pain. It was HELL and also a BLUR, especially upon losing a job that I really needed.
You lost 2 teeth?? Which teeth were they? I've also been having teeth issues. My front, middle, and near back teeth no longer make contact when I bite down. Shit's freaky.
I'd reduce to 1 meal a day, Pepcid for sure, any basic probiotic, cook all veggies, consider "alkaline diet" or similar.... the effective diets are the super boring ones example:
Curious on your take about whether normal potassium, sodium, magnesium levels based on blood tests mean that further supplementing is not recommended. Are these nutrient levels in the blood fully available to other tissues? I've read speculation that there may be dysfunction at a cellular level uptaking these nutrients and blood oxygen at the destination tissues. Like, they're in the blood, theres just not reaching their destination so to speak.
My levels tested fine but I still do a daily electrolyte drink with potassium + magnesium + sodium + vit c and it’s absolutely helped my gi and dehydration issues. Wouldn’t take them separately unless I wanted to try process of elimination
I was lucky to find your thread. I've decided to give you an award, which hopefully is now showing as a coin gift in your account (let me know if not). But not because I've ever had LC. Let me explain.
Great post. My one comment/quibble is about the Pepcid and alkaline environment for the gut recommendation. The gut needs an acidic environment to properly absorb B12, which is something that I have targeted for many reasons. One is that I have pernicious anemia, which is an autoimmune disease of the parietal cells responsible for its absorption. Pepcid creates an environment that is ideal for developing PA. Great job, though. Just not sure how many people even know about this since it's a pretty rare condition overall
My remaining symptom is pots tachycardia upon standing I never had before. So what exactly do you recommend for this? I got lost in the text. I take 1 liquid iv first thing I. The morning and then supplements, follow antihistamine diet as some foods I noticed triggered tachycardia for two hours and take Zyrtec and pepcid twice a day.
Update: Everything above still applies, with even MORE emphasis on Chlorphenamine and Agmatine Sulfate. Agmatine has the same mechanism as LDN and Memantine. As recovery goes well, even MORE emphasis on berberine (with meals) to battle altered glucose metabolism (pre-diabetes aka some symptoms of diabetes but no diagnosis)
Would you say chlorphenamine is THE thing to try if brain fog and fatigue are the worst symptoms by far? Would you say that's what everyone should try first, even on its own?
Are you still using chlorphenamine and what are your thoughts on it as an anticloreginic? I am reading conflicting theories on the acetylcholine mechanism, some reckon not enough is present.
Brain fog specific / remove amyloid plaque:
POTS you’re missing sodium which is #1, potassium is bad for some types of POTS so YMMV
How does creatine help?
Thanks for your helpful post, just want to add:
Im taking a lot of that, Im at 11 months and I would say Im at 85% or 90% on a good day. How long did it take for you? Congrats :)
Just pointing out that in the USA chlorphenamine is spelled chlorpheniramine, in case you're looking for it in a pharmacy. My store sells it OTC for about 4 dollars for 100 tabs.
https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/26/11/3373/htm
Thank you OP for your constant contribution to the community. Blessed be and let’s go for that 5%! 💪🏼❤️🩹💯❤️
Same symptoms almost to a tee. Long Covid since January 2022. Feeling 75% better. In the last month B12 D3 Antihistamines and probiotics
Awesome ! Hope you make a full recovery soon !
https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2022/06/29/jimmunol.2200079
https://c19early.com/
How do you get ahold of chlorphenamine? In europe
I know in the UK it is called "Piriton"...
Wow that’s an amazing amount of research.It’s so tough to know what direction to go because I’ve spent so much on so many different things.I’m starting patterson protocol next week hoping it helps.Main symptoms are extreme fatigue and SOB.Thanks so much for taking the time to post all this info and I’m so happy your recovering well.
I do think Patterson is on the right track and just chose a different antiviral. We want ________ potent antiviral + the support supplements (foundation) + neuro specific
OP actually provides a bunch of sources in the comments too!
OP, how much of your recovery do you attribute to time vs supps?
It definitely wasn't time, after 2 years things were only getting worse. It also wasn't just supplements, it was key medication + key support supplements
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-notes/rogue-antibodies-make-cells-sticky-to-trigger-blood-clots-covid-19-patients#:~:text=The%20finding%20brings%20researchers%20closer,in%20severe%20COVID%2D19%20patients.&text=Scientists%20have%20discovered%20that%20%E2%80%9Crogue,lose%20their%20resistance%20to%20clotting
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32462317/
Thank you for these recommendations and taking the time to share them. I also appreciate the words of encouragement! As far as staying active, were you pacing at a consistent level of activity or were you incrementally increasing activity very gradually. I credit the fact that I am around 100 days into this (not sure if I will be mid haul or long haul) and have not suffered a major crash because I followed fellow LH Redditors' advice to rest up - Extreme Rest. If I did overdo it a little, I'd feel sleepy and lay on the couch but later in the day or the next I feel recovered. Thankfully due to that, I have not developed day-long fatigue that is either annoying or debilitating. I walk my dog and take him to the dog park (I thank God for him, he helps my state of mind!). That is widely spread out over the day so in the end my watch tells me I walk 2 miles a day doing that along with walking in the house. I am a runner and of course have not been able to run with this and also do HITT workouts and traditional weightlifting when I am "normal." A pulmonologist (not that he knows anything) told me that he thought the virus ate muscle leading to weakness and doing some light weights in limited fashion makes sense but have not tried that. Thanks again.
Both swimming and biking (ZERO IMPACT) were VERY helpful as far as activity / pacing. Also resistance bands.
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Yes it is directly antiviral against COVID, Ebola, and Influenza also it is:
What do you think helped most with breathing?
We’re your palps skipped/extra beats or flutters?
Fluttering skips, almost started to get used to it....
Thanks for sharing all this and the links!!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏 So happy to hear you’re recovered!!!
Did you have air hunger and feeling like you couldn’t get a deep breath?
Yes, worse at night / evening and dramatically worse when lying on my back
What helps the most for chest pressure ?
Chlorphenamine was by far the game changer. It relieved the pressure which in my case wrapped all the way around my chest into my neck and back. I could finally breathe all the way in. I don't have the words to describe the tightness, but the relief was incredible. Many others are getting the same relief (always within the first few days).
Congrats on your recovery! Can you share how long you were bedridden for? Also, at what point in your long haul?
VERY roughly 2 to 3 months due to the debilitating bilateral foot pain. There are no words for the excruciating pain. It was HELL and also a BLUR, especially upon losing a job that I really needed.
You lost 2 teeth?? Which teeth were they? I've also been having teeth issues. My front, middle, and near back teeth no longer make contact when I bite down. Shit's freaky.
Upper 1st molar, Lower 2nd molar
Thank you for posting !!!
My main issues are gi and cognitive, what helps the most with these two? Tight budget.
I'd reduce to 1 meal a day, Pepcid for sure, any basic probiotic, cook all veggies, consider "alkaline diet" or similar.... the effective diets are the super boring ones example:
Thanks OP for taking the time to share all this, and congrats on your recovery! :)
ALA is super bad if anyone has mercury at all because used incorrectly will move mercury INTo the brain. just an FYI.
No nattokinase or forced autophagy?
Used K2MK7 alternative to Nattokinase, and eventually decreased to 1 boring meal a day + Resveratrol which induces autophagy apparently.
I agree with quite a bit of this. Still taking many of these!
Curious on your take about whether normal potassium, sodium, magnesium levels based on blood tests mean that further supplementing is not recommended. Are these nutrient levels in the blood fully available to other tissues? I've read speculation that there may be dysfunction at a cellular level uptaking these nutrients and blood oxygen at the destination tissues. Like, they're in the blood, theres just not reaching their destination so to speak.
Totally agree based on what we currently know, and wow the balance is frustrating in a COVID context.
My levels tested fine but I still do a daily electrolyte drink with potassium + magnesium + sodium + vit c and it’s absolutely helped my gi and dehydration issues. Wouldn’t take them separately unless I wanted to try process of elimination
Thank you so much for the comprehensive list and information - this is incredibly helpful :)
It looks like Australia uses dexchlorpheniramine
I was lucky to find your thread. I've decided to give you an award, which hopefully is now showing as a coin gift in your account (let me know if not). But not because I've ever had LC. Let me explain.
thank you for all of this helpful info, are u vaxxed bro? God Bless
Great post. My one comment/quibble is about the Pepcid and alkaline environment for the gut recommendation. The gut needs an acidic environment to properly absorb B12, which is something that I have targeted for many reasons. One is that I have pernicious anemia, which is an autoimmune disease of the parietal cells responsible for its absorption. Pepcid creates an environment that is ideal for developing PA. Great job, though. Just not sure how many people even know about this since it's a pretty rare condition overall
Bless you for this information!! Did you have the vascular issues? Bulging veins?
I actually have the bulging veins in my skins/calves
Was there a specific supplement/medication that helped most with your neck?
Chlorphenamine (both directly and indirectly) Diclofenac (in general, worth a try)
Hey there do I need a prescription for that first one Chlorphenamine
No it used to be prescription, but it is now OTC
What are your thoughts on NAC?
Overall, miracle compound for the liver
Do you have recommended doses for all of this you take
Yes, the link is there in the 1st post
These long covid posts get more insane every day. None of this helps. I have tried all of them.
^ ^ ^ ^
Probiotics made me permanently bedbound.
I wonder how that happened
How so ? and what exact probiotic ?
They made me worse too, which means we probably have histamine issues/MCA.
Simplified explanation of Chlorella detox:
thank you so if I understand correctly green beans at will, no meat only fish
More feedback on berberine:
What to take for extreme debilitating fatigue? 😢
Is there any insomnia / anxiety / other symptoms ? or just the fatigue as a lingering symptom ?
My remaining symptom is pots tachycardia upon standing I never had before. So what exactly do you recommend for this? I got lost in the text. I take 1 liquid iv first thing I. The morning and then supplements, follow antihistamine diet as some foods I noticed triggered tachycardia for two hours and take Zyrtec and pepcid twice a day.
Increase your water and salt intake and wear compression socks
If that is the ONLY symptom remaining:
Update: Everything above still applies, with even MORE emphasis on Chlorphenamine and Agmatine Sulfate. Agmatine has the same mechanism as LDN and Memantine. As recovery goes well, even MORE emphasis on berberine (with meals) to battle altered glucose metabolism (pre-diabetes aka some symptoms of diabetes but no diagnosis)
Would you say chlorphenamine is THE thing to try if brain fog and fatigue are the worst symptoms by far? Would you say that's what everyone should try first, even on its own?
Is there a big difference between Chlorpheniramine and Zyrtec?
Are you still using chlorphenamine and what are your thoughts on it as an anticloreginic? I am reading conflicting theories on the acetylcholine mechanism, some reckon not enough is present.