What is the point of Stage Manager?

  1. I was very excited for it to come to iPad, but I never use it on the Mac. I originally thought the idea was that you could ‘save’ Stages, i.e. open and automatically arrange a group of apps together, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. So I’ll be leaving it off…

  2. It seems like it does work like that but it’s a little cumbersome. It feels like I’d prefer it to work how desktops and full screen apps work, but then you’ve got two redundant features with overlapping triggers. Idk man. Maybe it’d work better for me if I had multiple screens, but rn it just feels like a better way for me to keep non-full screen apps organized on my desktop.

  3. It feels to me like they wanted to sync up the iPad and Mac design languages but the windowing system on Mac is way too complicated to move to iPad in one release, so they joined them together with stage manager. It’s a step up for iPad, and a step (sideways?) for Mac.

  4. The iPad version at least seems to serve a purpose, though it still needs a lot of work and I'm kind of surprised Apple was willing to release it in such an underdeveloped state.

  5. I think it’s an attempt to find a new model that works across both iOS touch based computers and MacOS pointer based computers.

  6. I wonder if they’re moving towards it. Like the initial idea is just a single app and eventually move Mission Control to the side like SM. They are just trying to release in iterations now instead of trying to wait till it’s all polished and/or something extra to present in the meantime

  7. Window management without having to switch between desktops. Made my workflow easier and tidier. I only used spaces before because there wasn’t a proper window management solution built in

  8. This is how I use it as well. I was very skeptical of stage manager's usefulness on the Mac before I tried it out, but now that I've gotten used to it, it's my preferred way to switch quickly between apps and workspaces.

  9. Yeah, I ended up using it to have a hybrid. I used to have 7-8 spaces open at any given moment, but now I have 4 and use stage manager. It’s a lot smoother (and way less swiping, haha)

  10. I adapted the windows way of doing things. 3 finger swipe left, attach windows to left, 3 up maximise windows, 3 down minimize into dock etc.

  11. To be honest, I don’t even use multiple desktops. CMD+Tab and CMD+Backtick is more than enough for effective keyboard driven navigation.

  12. I guess that there has been internal debates in Apple over this. Marketing wants new stuff every year while Development wants to delay things until they actually are worth introducing to the public. Marketing wins. We see that as lot in my opinion. Also with hardware. We get too many iPhones and iPads.

  13. This right here! Stage Manager is a godsend for someone like (neurodivergent). I've tried using Spaces, multi-desktop, several monitors, etc.

  14. Truly. How hard is it for Apple to figure out that when we’re in a desktop space, we don’t EVER want to be automatically switched to another space? We want to switch spaces only when we tell it to!

  15. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Like... I'm reading an article and want to do a quick calculation in Calculator. CMD-Space: "Calculator" and boom, my 32 inch monitor is suddenly blank except for a tiny orphaned calculator app. No no no, why not at least give an option to "open apps in current space"?! :o

  16. I agree with you, it’s just useless, annoying and adding a layer of complexity and confusion during use, not intuitive.

  17. They need the thumbnail view so badly. Even iPadOS has this. If you have multiple windows open of an app and tap on said app on the dock, it shows a thumbnail of all the windows. Why can’t macOS do this?

  18. Funny thing. I came here to agree with you before using stage manger, so I decided to try it and I actually like it. It is an easy way for me to switch apps with an easy view point. I can see it's not for everyone but it keeps me from having to go to the dock every time i need to switch apps. I don't like multiple desktops so this works for me.

  19. The main issue I'm seeing is that the Stage Manager interface only reliably seems to show up on the first desktop. If you have more than one, it never seems to appear. Likely a glitch. So for the moment, I'm basically forced to have everything on a single desktop.

  20. I agree with the OP. I simply can't see the point. It's as though deep in the throes of intoxication, one Beavis in Apple was trying to keep his eyes from dancing when his gaze rested upon Mission Control and he was struck by the idea of the age. "Whoah. That bar should really slide in from the left, dude, and be, like, floating."

  21. I wish they replicated what we already had on macOS for iPadOS. Why can’t there be separate “desktops” and the ability to swipe for things like Hot Corners? I find those to be some of the most useful features in macOS.

  22. It’s not for everyone and you don’t have to like it. Personally, I find it very useful. I don’t use trackpad gestures and I work with three monitors, only one desktop in each. In that scenario, it’s very handy for me to switch between open apps easily. Drag and drop is easier also.

  23. I think it's pretty cool to use it when I'm presenting something. When I'm having class with my students I'll turn it on so I can switch back and forth programs easily without having to squint my eyes for the right app, readjust it, etc etc.

  24. I'm trying to keep an open mind so I'm still using it, but I am finding it hard to see benefits. I regularly use and benefit from Spaces, Alt-Tab, and four-finger swipe up on my trackpad. But Spaces seems more annoying than helpful. I found the tip to hold Shift while clicking on a shelved app so that it joins with the currently displayed app rather than displacing it, but while helpful it underscores how frustrating that action can be. For my needs, it's rare that I need one app to take over the whole screen. I usually need to have two or more apps open and visible when I work. I have a 27" screen for this reason. I'd love to hear specific examples of how others are using it and finding it of benefit.

  25. I think a lot of people forget that not everyone is using Macs with a trackpad. I'm a longtime MacBook user and LOVE the trackpad and swipe gestures. I have to use iMacs at work (with an old Mac mouse that doesn't have swiping gesture capability) and man I kinda hate how Macs work without a trackpad. It was a shock to my system at first. I work tech and see a LOT of Mac users (even with MacBooks) cramming everything on to one screen and awkwardly clicking between windows that are all laying on top of each other. On iMacs with massive screens it makes more sense to have a lot of windows open on one desktop, but it can be cumbersome to arrange and move between them.

  26. I mean, the keyboard shortcuts are nearly as fast/easy as the swipe gestures, so not sure that's all that big a deal.

  27. Not disagreeing, but I'm talking about the macOS Ventura feature with the same name, not the iOS 16 feature.

  28. It seems to solve issues that might be on iOS and brought over to macOS as look a new feature. But for me on macOS, it really breaks how macOS was originally meant to be used.

  29. I think this concept should not be published, to be honest. It's not suitable for using it on an iPad, and it doesn't make sense on MacOS. Looking at Apple these days I'm asking more and more wth they are doing... I miss Steve.

  30. Apple has to do things in its own way even sacrificing the ease of use. Look what they did with the lock screen on iOS 16. They finally allowed some customization but they made it unnecessarily messy. And let's not start with the notification system after so many years.

  31. I think it’s a game changer especially on my Mac when used with a bigger screen. With my work I have multiple people talk to me in all directions. And sometime require different apps to perform each task, I will load each task into on group of apps, and if someone else contact, I just switch to the office messenger app and create a new group if there is a new task. The Stage Manager is like improved Spaces without having to move around full screen, with Space, I tend to forget other spaces, and start mixing windows, but with Stage Manager, the switcher is always there and it switch around automatically.

  32. Full screen apps on a 27" screen don't really work for browsers. It's a waste of desktop space. For laptops then yes it works. Stage Manager is for single app focus which wasn't built into the OS. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean others are equally as confused.

  33. I just realized after using it for a while that it has a different goal on the iPad and on the Mac. On the Mac it’s a way to see fewer windows at a time on the iPad it’s a way to see more windows than previously possible.

  34. Why does it work better for you than virtual desktops? Or were you aware of the virtual desktop feature in the first place?

  35. So far it’s been useful for me when editing across Lightroom Classic and Photoshop when I’m on my laptop on the go. But haven’t found any other productivity benefits, yet.

  36. maybe they should introduce a row of keys across the top of the keyboard and display aa thumbnail of each open window on the keys. or introduce clickable icons on the dock representing each open app. or icons on the dock representing different desktops. or maybe letting you use a key combination like option tab to switch between apps.

  37. stagemanager just feels like macos version of a windows taskbar. imagine stagemanager wouldnt show tiny pictures of the application but just the names in boxes like windows. I think that would make it feel ultra windowsy. its a little different such that it only opens one application at a time and yea windows != applications and how the os works with them in general i know. But it still feels like its just mimics a taskbar.

  38. I've been using it throughout the week instead of my usual virtual desktop setup and can understand the appeal, mostly that it helps keep focus on a group while also allowing you to see changes in another group from a glance.

  39. Do you minimize the window to the right side of the dock? If you minimize to the app icon, IME, it makes much more sense.

  40. I don’t understand the use of SM on iPad when you can use the usual app switcher and see all the apps open when you swipe up anyway… then when using an app it kinda opens it but not fully so it doesn’t maximise screen space especially on a smaller device. You can quickly and easily switch between open apps anyway… I enjoy using SM on Mac because when you open another app window it declutters the apps running in the background and tucks them away for app switching. Rather than using multiple desktops where you can lose apps on different screens, plus when your using multiple desktops and you open an app that’s on another desktop the Mac throws the screen across to where the app is running in that screen. Where as stage manager just flips it back to the front

  41. I think Stage Manager on Mac is just for iPad users who switch to Mac after they bought their iPads. So Apple gave them a familiar environment on Mac as well. In other words, Stage Manager is not for experienced Mac users—it’s for iPad Pro users so they wouldn’t feel uncomfortable before adopting more advanced macOS features like Mission Control.

  42. On iPad, it makes more sense because before then iPadOS had a very rudimentary multi-tasking model. Afterall, iPadOS doesn't have Spaces. On MacOS, its more of another way to multitask or setup your apps/windows. I personally never use Spaces, but Stage Manager is okay.

  43. Something tells me they don’t believe in it either because I still haven’t figured out by myself how to use it. When you upgrade there is no indication whatsoever it even exists…

  44. I use a large monitor on my Mac in Ventura (32"). I love stage manager - but it needs more features/fixes. I've always kept the dock hidden, and I like this so much more. It does take up space, yes, and so you have to decide if it is worth your while....

  45. The most infuriating and unacceptable part of stage manager on MacOS to me is the fact the Apples own (ported) apps like reminders and settings constantly break the flow of functionality of stage manager to the point where I have to use the in a separate spaces in full screen (since you can't just have one space use stage manager?).

  46. I found it very unsatisfying to have those gaps on either side of the window. I still tried to use it tho, but switched it off after reading how people online have the same opinion of it being more or less pointless.

  47. It’s for the iPad…. Still. The reason you all hate it is because you don’t understand it’s use case and continue to use in incorrectly. These posts are ridiculous

  48. I've been testing it out for Mac OS and it seems to agree with my workflow. Although, I had to enable "Reduce motion" because the swap animation is slow and I'm constantly tabbing windows.

  49. I don’t really know what it is for. When it was announced I was very sceptical but I kinda like it now. Just for switching between apps. I habe it turned on all the time and enjoy using it. I can’t really say if its better - but it’s fun to use.

  50. I work with a lot of documents and tabs in safari. Stage manager on mac is great for my use. Especially with dual screens.

  51. What is it doing that virtual desktops don't already do though? Or have you not ever used the virtual desktops and didn't realize macOS already had this feature?

  52. I really like it. Especially when I am using the smaller screen of my MacBook vs connected to external display. It helps you focus on one or small amount of task oriented windows at a time. The grouping is what is "different"... I can flip between sets / groups quickly. I really love that grouping idea in addition to removing clutter. Not everyone has to love it. But it is nice that it is there. I for example don't use split screen on Mac, but I am sure some people do and that's cool for them.

  53. Virtual desktop support the exact same kind of grouping though, so I'm not sure how that's different.

  54. Why does it work better for you than virtual desktops? Or were you aware of the virtual desktop feature in the first place?

  55. I use stage manager and spaces together. I still like leaving different slaves to for different aspects of my work but stage manager keeps those spaces tidy.

  56. No, the chief benefit for me is automatically jumping between windows, instead of hitting a keypress to activate Mission Control and find a new window or alt-tabbing it or whatever. I work on one app, then click on another, which flips the two. I find it much more efficient and now use it as my default. I tried it on my iPad and didn't like it as much.

  57. Am i the only one that finds it useful?y desktop was messy before and multiple desktops too complicated for me.

  58. I love it, I was a 4-6 desktop guy. With stage manager I can have all my collaboration apps like teams, iMessage, WhatsApp, signal, zoom and webex all on the same desktop with stage manager and easily go between them visually. I also have royal tsx open, but when I use rdp it opens that session in a new full screen app

  59. It’s for people who use an external monitor. It’s not all that useful on an iPad screen but if you’re using your iPad while connected to a 27” monitor and need to have multiple windows open, now you can.

  60. I have an ultra-wide screen monitor and a Mac studio so really like stage Manager. It takes some getting to but I find it a lot faster to use than multiple desktops. I have one setup for music recording and my DAW, one for work, one for web/social and one for misc.

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