Current large walls known as "peace lines" in Belfast, Northern Ireland that separate catholic and protestant communities.

  1. It’s fine. I live in a nice affluent area marked as Protestant on the map. It isn’t - it’s totally mixed and me and my girlfriend are both Catholics (not religious but by birth) and it’s a nice hipster neighbourhood where no one cares.

  2. Thanks! I didn't know Northern Ireland had such a recent history of internal conflict and religious segregation. I legit thought this was only common with radical religions/cultures

  3. Nationalist and unionist. You often see the conflict here reduced to religion, it's incredibly reductive, and to be very honest dumb as shit.

  4. I used to work for a maintenance company when I was an apprentice called Ulster building and mechanical services from the east, I was a wee prod and was sent everywhere Ardoyne Falls Alliance ave The bone Ligoneal And so on Never once was I threatened or made feel unwelcome and some of the older people made amazing food and insisted that I had a cooked lunch Feel the love people

  5. Your comment is good vibes! There’s sound Catholics and Protestants and not sound Catholics and Protestants, and that’s all there is to it eh?

  6. I find it odd that the conflict is portrayed religious one although it's more like a political one...? I mean, I think it more like the Unionists vs. the Republicans...?

  7. Portraying it as a "holy war" lets Britain off the hook. Britain spent centuries playing divide-and-conquer, "playing the orange card" and controlling the unionists by riling them up with hatred against Irish catholics. When catholics were inspired by the Black civil rights movement of the 60's and started peacefully protesting for human rights, the British-backed unionist government responded with mass roundups and detention, torture, and massacres. That's when the Provisional IRA was born and the violence (re)started. But Britain has always tried to play the neutral, honest broker selflessly putting itself in harm's way to keep two backward warring tribes apart. It's bullshit because Britain is very much a belligerent, and continues using NI as a pawn today and riling up the unionists, this time in the game of Brexit.

  8. If you thought you experienced tension then, you should have seen it when there was armed British soldiers on the street and you had 3 checkpoints to cross just to get to work lol

  9. I remember being there in the mid 200O’s and seeing the road curbs painted different colors. I was told it was because some were Catholic and some Protestant.

  10. Yeah, a common way of marking territory is putting up flags and painting the curbs so the other side know they aren't welcome.

  11. My Da got a rock thrown at him in the 70s by an Orange Yeomanry band. He lost his eye. His crime? Glasgow Celtic Jersey and a “Catholic” name. Absolutely disgraceful.

  12. I don’t know what the ratio is, but given this map doesn’t show population density you can’t really draw that conclusion from it

  13. It originally was much more mixed prior to the 1920’s honestly, from the 40’s and 50’s there began a series of ethnic cleansing campaigns prosecuted by violent groups from both communities - many streets went from fairly mixed to exclusively Protestant or Catholic overnight in most cases, though on many streets there were exceptions

  14. No the "Irish side" has always been in a minority in the north. It's kinda a thing that the "Irish side" is slowly becoming the majority and will therefore be able to vote out the "British side" however it's looking more likely both sides will lose out to socialist or social democratic like party's.of course that my opinion,and I'm just some guy

  15. It is more or less 50/50. Think it's traditionally been about 47/53 (before the recent boom of immigration as we stopped bombing eachother). Well documented that the Catholics are "catching up", and so Belfast (as well as ni as a whole) will eventually have a Catholic majority. I honestly think that why big borris wanted a bridge - so he could relocate more Brits to ni and try to prevent the inevitable shitshow which will happen when ni becomes majority Irish.

  16. About 12 years ago I witnessed a young black person (about 20years old), so obvs. a "fucking foreigner" being beaten up severly by a group of 6-8 young fellas on donegall road, belfast. It was unbelievable. I felt very sorry for that person and I couldn't do anything right away to help.

  17. I sometimes think the terms 'Catholic' and 'Protestant', as opposed to Irish/British, are used for the purpose of making the ill informed believe it's a silly religious conflict and if only people didn't believe in God it would all go away. It wouldn't.

  18. It is a religious conflict that's been going on for about half a millennia, but the authoritarian religion is losing so badly that people have lost sight of what it was before. There was no separation between church and state. The church ran the schools, determined the laws, dealt out the punishments, collected taxes, throughout the dark ages the church was the state. Even the monarch was just a vasal of the Pope until Henry VIII and some free-thinking Scandinavian monarchs came along. Back when there was a Catholic on the British throne, it was the Irish and Scots who were seen as the Loyalists while the English were trying to restrict the power of the monarchy, but after James VII's daughter married a Protestant and the monarchy became fully independent from the Catholic church, the roles completely reversed and no nationalist can coherently explain this without exposing their indoctrination with religious prejudice. Many probably think the conflict began in 1968 or 1916, but it's really a proxy-war within the counter-reformation which has gone on much longer and relies on a massive web of deception, propaganda, brainwashing and historical revisionism.

  19. Do non religious people still identify with either group? Is there a growing trend that sees the cultural separation as ridiculous?

  20. It wasn’t a religious conflict per se, one group just happens to be majority Catholic and another Protestant. The Troubles was about effecting a change to the constitutional status of Northern Ireland, it wasn’t a religious war.

  21. Religion doesn't really have anything to do with it, it's about whether we are Brittish or Irish. The classifications should really say nationalist and unionist. Historically Catholics consider themselves Irish and Protestants consider themselves Brittish. There are plenty of people with no religious orientation who feel strongly either way and plenty of religious people who don't care either way.

  22. From my experience the younger generation coming forward are much more open minded, a lot of the bitterness and bigotry has subsided. There are still a few bad apples, but nothing what it use to be

  23. My dad found old plans and blueprints around 15 years ago in a government surveying office or police station when he was fixing their computers and the reason why the west link is sunken 20 meters into the ground. (The west link is a motorway that runs through west belfast) Is because of encase of all out civil war the army would be able to effectively split half the cities religious populations by blowing the bridges/ or set up check points on the bridges that cross it which at the time was only around 3 or 4 I think

  24. What absolute rubbish, when it was built there were 3 Road bridges and 2 foot bridges that crossed the west link. The 3 Road bridges join a Catholic area to a Catholic area, a protestant area to a protestant area and the 3rd is a mix of the two either side of a peace line. The west link also doesn't cut through half of the city, it just about cuts through half of the west of the city and is only a couple of miles long.

  25. Nope. I'm not one to weigh in on NI affairs but this is shite. It's literally just a motorway. Nothing more nothing less. Check with other Belfasters.

  26. As someone who lives near the west link,can confirm. It's really is a massive concrete barrier. It's an effort every flipping day to get across the thing. Is there much befit in having a by pass that goes right though town? Ugh it really does cut the town in half. But I do like the balls on the falls. But yea the west link is a concrete River. There's a quite expensive food bridge that hooks the hospital to the village ( home of the UDA I think) and now where else. It's always empty.

  27. Sort of, you just know if you're from one side it's not safe to live in the other. You have some areas now that would be considered mixed, but generally locals are aware of the dangers of living in certain estate if you are not from that community.

  28. People are free to live wherever they want, but for safety and convenience many tend to avoid living in areas dominated by the other community. There's a lot more "mixed" areas than shown on this map.

  29. Doesn't half of Ireland now identify as non-religious? Surely that number has to be higher in and near cities.

  30. In Northern Ireland the terms "Protestant" and "Catholic" are more ethnic identifiers than religious. Contrary to popular misconception the majority of the population is not particularly religious. Lots of folk will identify with one or other community without having ever having been regular churchgoers in their adult (or even childhood) lives.

  31. Religious identity is very different in Ireland and Northern Ireland. While more people are identifying as non-religious in Northern Ireland, people are much more likely to be practicing than in Ireland. Even with young people, you meet a lot more Northerners who are openly religious.

  32. I mean, you do realize that it's much more about allegiance to the colonizer than religion, right? Both sides are understandable as an outsider, but I also see how it's a pretty big source of anger to people living in it. So it seems to me to be a perfectly understandable and somewhat "reasonable" conflict.

  33. This shit is so embarrassing for a developed country. This is some Middle East level petty religious squabble. I can’t help but cringe

  34. Ahh, the classic "Only poor and dirty bad countries have fights. Not like me, a clean and freshly shaven gentleman, in my clean and freshly shaven good country"

  35. It’s a political issue really, the political stances just coincide which historical religious / ethnic communities like in so many civil conflicts.

  36. Imagine hating a group of people so much for simply interpreting the words of a text meant to bring peace and stability to the mind. Personally, I'm a Taoist, but what the fuck. Y'all need to hug it the fuck out and admit that you might be wrong.

  37. I'm not trying to be an ass about this but like the protestant Catholic conflict is pretty much fizzled out in most places so so what's keeping it persistent in Ireland... I saw a documentary on YouTube like last year about people building giant bonfires out of like shipping palates or something celebrating I don't know what but like there was like is stuff written on the giant bonfires which seemed kind of conflicting propaganda stuff I am ignorant as hell about this kind of thing but just like why is it still going on in Ireland it seems like it seems like you guys in general are pretty chill just like as a country so I'm wondering why is like this kind of conflict still going on is this like an Israel Palestine thing or what exactly literally literally ignorant as hell so if anyone can enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it

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