I work with dementia and Alzheimer clients. People who have it live in a perpetual state of confusion/agitation. This is unacceptable. The poor woman must have been so frightened. Cops should be trained to deal with this population because it requires a completely different approach. Tbh when a cop gets a call, departments should utilize social workers trained in dementia care.
Training wont matter to a shitty person who simply do not care. One needs to be willing to accept training at their job and follow through it. I doubt this person would have done anything else even if he got the training.
This is the root of the Defund the Police movement. We should have departments that are better suited at dealing with issues like this instead of asking cops to do things they are bad at.
We need to stop using cops as a swiss army knife. If there's no threat of danger, social workers should respond in almost all other cases. Cops aren't properly trained for most of the shit they have to deal with.
It’s very sad and there are many many police officers trained in “CIT” or Community Intervention Training, so they can recognize people who have mental health challenges and serious behavioral concerns. They don’t have to diagnose or know specifics, just recognize that something isn’t right with the situation and deescalate it by not causing further agitation, confusion, fear or violence (in any form). I’ve seen them do it and the positive outcomes really are amazing. The saddest part is that it usually takes a f-ing tragedy to come about before making this training or something like it available. I’m Georgia, US it is being used throughout and mental health clinicians are also being put into police departments to speak with people that may have a challenge like I mentioned. It should be mandatory for all police departments in the US.
My 35 year old sister in law has early onset dementia. She can range from the good, where she remembers me and my wife’s name, talks about her crafting projects and Jurassic Park, to not understanding what’s going on, accusing her mom of stealing or having some other paranoid episode due to confusion.
My mother suffered from dementia. I’m an actor and First Responder. I’ve developed two workshops - one is Improv for Dementia Caregivers and the other is Improv for First Responders. Literally no one is interested in either one.
I suspect most people here weren't properly trained either, but I doubt anyone would have tackled and hog-tied her, let alone someone sworn to protect and serve. Cops are sadistic; anyone who really wants to be a cop is, ironically, likely unfit to be one.
I work with dementia patients as well, and one night when one of my patients was violent and unredirectable I had to call it in. I can usually get anyone to calm down, even a patient who grabbed my throat and tried to stab me I could calm down, but not this guy.
The video is weird--- he appears calm, but his voice quavers and violence was his first response to the woman being despondent. "Do you need to be arrested?" he says sweetly. Then yanks her arm and pulls her to the ground. She whimpers.
The cops, including the officers involved, were all laughing about it at the jail while watching the body cam footage after the woman was booked. It's all on camera at the jail. I don't feel bad for him getting 5 years. He was in a position of authority, and regardless of training, what he did to that woman was a disgusting abuse of power.
I saw the video on Audit the Audit. It was very disturbing. She didn't even do anything.... It's painfully obvious that she couldn't tell what was happening.
How long do you want him to be in prison for a 2nd degree assault for? 20 years? Life without parole? I'm so weirded out by the uniquely American and bizarrely pervasive idea that no sentence for any crime is ever long enough, and I'm American. 5 years with possibility of parole after 2 is a pretty standard sentence for the kind of crime he committed and I think it's more than enough. He'll also be a convicted felon and, thus, ineligible for any law enforcement position ever again, so that's a win in my books.
Nothing, yet. Investigation is still ongoing and they still haven't released the officer's identity. Not sure what you need to "investigate". It was a fucking execution.
Are you talking about the cop who killed the 70+ year-old Latina non-english speaking with dementia? That’s Las Cruces NM police. The police chief still hasn’t released much about it. We’ve seen the video. All he did was scream in English at her while her friends tried, in Spanish, to explain she’d didn’t speak English and was sick.
I remembered seeing this when it happened and how pissed off I was it ruined 3 days for me I was that angry I'm glad this has happened it's still too little too late but a step in the right direction
Your mileage may vary on whether or not this is any consolation, but I’m betting a former cop who does shit like this isn’t going to have a fun time in prison.
I ugly cried and I’m tearing up now. This was a very, very upsetting crime. I wish he had to serve every day of that sentence. But he won’t. I hope biblical justice is served in prison.
If """"good"""" cops don't want to hold their psychos accountable then the least they could do is look the other way while other people sort out the problem for them.
The entire town's police force is like him. All the way up the ladder to the Chief & Mayor. Its been a corrupt police force literally for decades and no one can do anything about it.
Yep, a halfway decent department a town north does all the investigations for this sort of thing, because literally nobody trusts Loveland PD to do it themselves
My mom is 70 and has dementia. She is literally so fragile. I cant even fathom how Id handle it if it was her. Imagine being that insecure with your own masculinity.
He went back to the station and watched the footage with another cop while laughing as he asks the other cop to listen for her shoulder popping then fist bumping one another.
Good, but still no charges for Sgt. Phil Metzler who signed off on the use of force by lying on the report and hiding the bodycam footage from his superior, intimidated a witness into not making a complaint at the scene, and tried to hide the use of force from the public by
I live in a semi rural fast growing area of NC. We have sheriffs who are elected. I make a point of knowing him personally, I work on his campaign, hang signs etc. Go to political debates. When I need help I can call him and he knows who I am. It’s a game. I don’t trust half his deputies… they’re idiots. I don’t call 911. I call his cell. We’re not buddies. His politics are shit. But he has the power. I use it.
This is definitely the way. The minute I hit a new town .. make friends in high places. It was my biggest mistake in my last town. In a small town, look for really old people. They know everyone and can absolutely help you out. Join the local Chamber of Commerce.. Go to the meetings and events. Golfing.. or just hang in the clubhouse. Charity events are another good place to meet town leaders and elders. It’s one of the most important things you can do.. poor nobody’s get their asses handed to them daily.
It's crazy to me that someone in charge of the police can be an elected position like that - Is that the case in all the states or just some? I listened to a podcast about a cold case a while back, and the reporter was shocked to find out that the police in a lot of small places had crime resolution rates of less than 20% and there was absolutely no legal oversight in terms of performance or corruption.
That’s disturbing and they say it on camera while admitting that they have to ability to turn the cameras off. What a joke. And this is sadly now the norm.
And Mayor Adams in NY wants to lower the already low NYPD hiring standards... Then he told citizens to records cops fucking around on their phones and "send them" to him.
Sound like they are all complicit and it was a conspiracy to cover it up, they should all be charged and stripped of their Badges and never allowed to be Cops.
I've seen sev articles about cities and towns complaining/blaming police force recruitment problems bc of "poor moral/environment since George Floyd" and COVID deaths/illness. So instead of addressing the root of these problems they're dropping some prerequisites. I'm sure that will fix it.
Cops convicted of breaking laws like this should be put in gen pop for the maximum possible sentence, zero chance of parole. They need to be held to a higher standard as part of their code of honor and duty to the public, who pays their fucking checks.
I lived in the area when this happened. The women lived in an apartment complex within walking distance of the store and it has a large population of elderly residence who have various issues. It's well known.
I got banned from that sub by asking if it didn’t make more sense to have social workers respond to autistic people who are having meltdowns. No response… Just banned.
Every cop I've ever met and knew personally is NOT a good person. Every single one has serious closeted issues or is generally a cruel asshole. I'm closely related to multiple and grew up with one and He. Is. A. NIGHTMARE.
What got my blood boiling even more is that after the arrest and tossing the victim all mangled up into the cell without having given any aid, they went to watch the footage for entertainment and were talking and laughing about it as if it were sport in how he maimed the frail old lady.
Not enough. The other two officers who laughed with him and fiat bumped him after he pointed out the sound of her arm fucking falling apart need to be in jail/six feet under ground before they hurt somebody else as well (guarantee you they've already hurt people).
the cop will be fine - trump will probably commute his sentence and the appoint him to his cabinet after our dimwits vote him in again. then he could really fuck up the disabled and the elderly and people with iqs over 85 who are the sworn enemies of the america first movement.
I do not understand this comment section. This is literally a case where justice was done and the wrongs were righted and this whole thread is just full of comments still like "yeah, fuck the police, execute all the cops" but like... this is the outcome we all wanted...? Bad cop did bad thing and then was shamed, fired, arrested, convicted, and barred from working in law enforcement ever again (because felons can't work in law enforcement). The criminal justice system literally worked as it should work in this case, so why are y'all still mad?
I work with dementia and Alzheimer clients. People who have it live in a perpetual state of confusion/agitation. This is unacceptable. The poor woman must have been so frightened. Cops should be trained to deal with this population because it requires a completely different approach. Tbh when a cop gets a call, departments should utilize social workers trained in dementia care.
Yeah it was ridiculous, she wasn't violent at all. All over $13 in groceries.
Training wont matter to a shitty person who simply do not care. One needs to be willing to accept training at their job and follow through it. I doubt this person would have done anything else even if he got the training.
This is the root of the Defund the Police movement. We should have departments that are better suited at dealing with issues like this instead of asking cops to do things they are bad at.
I think we should have units that deal strictly with mental health cases, the current force doesn't even have real de-escalation abilities.
Walmart needs a talking to as well. There was zero need to contact the police about an elderly lady that offered to pay and returned the merch.
We need to stop using cops as a swiss army knife. If there's no threat of danger, social workers should respond in almost all other cases. Cops aren't properly trained for most of the shit they have to deal with.
[удалено]
And they left in pain for hours without medical attention laughing at her.
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Police are intending to help and protect citizens.
Tbf, I don’t think cops should be hogtying anyone
They should be trained to call people who are trained in this. Cops see everything as something to shoot, beat, or falsely charge.
It’s very sad and there are many many police officers trained in “CIT” or Community Intervention Training, so they can recognize people who have mental health challenges and serious behavioral concerns. They don’t have to diagnose or know specifics, just recognize that something isn’t right with the situation and deescalate it by not causing further agitation, confusion, fear or violence (in any form). I’ve seen them do it and the positive outcomes really are amazing. The saddest part is that it usually takes a f-ing tragedy to come about before making this training or something like it available. I’m Georgia, US it is being used throughout and mental health clinicians are also being put into police departments to speak with people that may have a challenge like I mentioned. It should be mandatory for all police departments in the US.
My 35 year old sister in law has early onset dementia. She can range from the good, where she remembers me and my wife’s name, talks about her crafting projects and Jurassic Park, to not understanding what’s going on, accusing her mom of stealing or having some other paranoid episode due to confusion.
My mother suffered from dementia. I’m an actor and First Responder. I’ve developed two workshops - one is Improv for Dementia Caregivers and the other is Improv for First Responders. Literally no one is interested in either one.
I suspect most people here weren't properly trained either, but I doubt anyone would have tackled and hog-tied her, let alone someone sworn to protect and serve. Cops are sadistic; anyone who really wants to be a cop is, ironically, likely unfit to be one.
Cops are only there to protect the politicians and wealthy people.
100% they should be using social workers for this kind of thing.
Completely agree! But, looking at his face in the photo I am inclined to believe that he would not have responded well to such training at all. Alas.
I work with dementia patients as well, and one night when one of my patients was violent and unredirectable I had to call it in. I can usually get anyone to calm down, even a patient who grabbed my throat and tried to stab me I could calm down, but not this guy.
The video is weird--- he appears calm, but his voice quavers and violence was his first response to the woman being despondent. "Do you need to be arrested?" he says sweetly. Then yanks her arm and pulls her to the ground. She whimpers.
The cops, including the officers involved, were all laughing about it at the jail while watching the body cam footage after the woman was booked. It's all on camera at the jail. I don't feel bad for him getting 5 years. He was in a position of authority, and regardless of training, what he did to that woman was a disgusting abuse of power.
From the article:
That video is bad but watch the video of them reviewing the footage and talking about it after at the station:
I saw the video on Audit the Audit. It was very disturbing. She didn't even do anything.... It's painfully obvious that she couldn't tell what was happening.
It’s apathy, there’s so much crime and so much normalization to what they’re doing here that they just dehumanize criminals.
How long do you want him to be in prison for a 2nd degree assault for? 20 years? Life without parole? I'm so weirded out by the uniquely American and bizarrely pervasive idea that no sentence for any crime is ever long enough, and I'm American. 5 years with possibility of parole after 2 is a pretty standard sentence for the kind of crime he committed and I think it's more than enough. He'll also be a convicted felon and, thus, ineligible for any law enforcement position ever again, so that's a win in my books.
What happened to the cop that murdered one, recently?
cops murder people all the time you're going to have to be more specific
Which one
Nothing, yet. Investigation is still ongoing and they still haven't released the officer's identity. Not sure what you need to "investigate". It was a fucking execution.
Are you talking about the cop who killed the 70+ year-old Latina non-english speaking with dementia? That’s Las Cruces NM police. The police chief still hasn’t released much about it. We’ve seen the video. All he did was scream in English at her while her friends tried, in Spanish, to explain she’d didn’t speak English and was sick.
Depends... was the victim white or black?
He's probably on a nice vacation
Thank fuck. Another monster in a cage.
[удалено]
A bad cop going to prison. I’m sure he’s going to run into a few old friends. Yikes
He’ll get a big welcome party
Maybe we'll get to hear the pop.
They don't put ex cops with the general population.
Like guys all have the exact same fear about what MIGHT happen if they go to prison, but this dude has some things to worry about that WILL happen.
He will be out in months.
I remembered seeing this when it happened and how pissed off I was it ruined 3 days for me I was that angry I'm glad this has happened it's still too little too late but a step in the right direction
Your mileage may vary on whether or not this is any consolation, but I’m betting a former cop who does shit like this isn’t going to have a fun time in prison.
I ugly cried and I’m tearing up now. This was a very, very upsetting crime. I wish he had to serve every day of that sentence. But he won’t. I hope biblical justice is served in prison.
He's sorry? Sorry he's going to prison.
You know how this works by now, once he's been forgotten about it'll be quietly reduced to time served on appeal.
If it was a black woman , nothing would have happened to him.
The police chief who oversaw this was allowed to resign and was hired to be chief in another city 🙃
YEA!!! Now do not reduce it on appeal!
Did they fire the psychopath who laughed and gave him a fist bump for beating up an old lady?
If """"good"""" cops don't want to hold their psychos accountable then the least they could do is look the other way while other people sort out the problem for them.
The entire town's police force is like him. All the way up the ladder to the Chief & Mayor. Its been a corrupt police force literally for decades and no one can do anything about it.
Yep, a halfway decent department a town north does all the investigations for this sort of thing, because literally nobody trusts Loveland PD to do it themselves
You dont need training to not break grandma's arm.
My mom is 70 and has dementia. She is literally so fragile. I cant even fathom how Id handle it if it was her. Imagine being that insecure with your own masculinity.
He went back to the station and watched the footage with another cop while laughing as he asks the other cop to listen for her shoulder popping then fist bumping one another.
Good, but still no charges for Sgt. Phil Metzler who signed off on the use of force by lying on the report and hiding the bodycam footage from his superior, intimidated a witness into not making a complaint at the scene, and tried to hide the use of force from the public by
“Gets slapped with 5 year prison sentence”
5 years seems appropriate actually. Assuming he serves it all.
Can someone ELI5 why this resulted in a substantial prison sentence but so many other incidents are not even prosecuted?
The laughing about it after video probably helped.
Societal expectations helps. I presume their whole community was outraged, rich to poor, red and blue
It could be because Colorado ended qualified immunity in 2020, but I’m only like 10% sure on that being why it happened in this case.
Actually surprised LEO is getting any time to be honest. Definitely glad this sadist is off the streets.
I really wish cops weren’t given protective custody behind bars. Fuck ‘em. They ain’t special. They’re fucking violent criminals.
I live in a semi rural fast growing area of NC. We have sheriffs who are elected. I make a point of knowing him personally, I work on his campaign, hang signs etc. Go to political debates. When I need help I can call him and he knows who I am. It’s a game. I don’t trust half his deputies… they’re idiots. I don’t call 911. I call his cell. We’re not buddies. His politics are shit. But he has the power. I use it.
That's terrifying that you have to do that to feel safe
This is definitely the way. The minute I hit a new town .. make friends in high places. It was my biggest mistake in my last town. In a small town, look for really old people. They know everyone and can absolutely help you out. Join the local Chamber of Commerce.. Go to the meetings and events. Golfing.. or just hang in the clubhouse. Charity events are another good place to meet town leaders and elders. It’s one of the most important things you can do.. poor nobody’s get their asses handed to them daily.
It's crazy to me that someone in charge of the police can be an elected position like that - Is that the case in all the states or just some? I listened to a podcast about a cold case a while back, and the reporter was shocked to find out that the police in a lot of small places had crime resolution rates of less than 20% and there was absolutely no legal oversight in terms of performance or corruption.
…And this little piggy went to prison.
5 years isn’t enough for this pig piece of shit
Yoooo...
The officer should've known better to establish that something was amiss. He deserves all 5 of those years
The more disturbing video is actually the one of the various Loveland PD employers watching the replay and laughing about it.
Proper rehabilitation will need a complete overhaul of the police department. This case is just one example.
Here are the cops laughing about the incident.
That’s disturbing and they say it on camera while admitting that they have to ability to turn the cameras off. What a joke. And this is sadly now the norm.
Not trying to be a dick but the bar to become a cop is pretty low.
And Mayor Adams in NY wants to lower the already low NYPD hiring standards... Then he told citizens to records cops fucking around on their phones and "send them" to him.
Just dropping in to remind everyone that this should not be the end of it. Other officers were involved.
Sound like they are all complicit and it was a conspiracy to cover it up, they should all be charged and stripped of their Badges and never allowed to be Cops.
Loveland cops in general are absolutely terrible. Larimer County Sherrifs are just as bad if not worse.
As someone from the area … FUCKIN YEP
“He’s truly ashamed of his actions.. since he got caught”
"ready for the pop?" Fucking disgusting
He'll get out in 18 months, ankle monitor for 12, work at a WalMart & get his pension pay retroactively.
Now imagine all the other terrible shit cops got away with before surveillance cameras & people filming on their phones......
Justice served.... once.
JusticeServed
Excuse me, which case of throwing old woman with dementia on the ground is this? Is it the one where she forgot to pay for something in supermarket?
We live in a world where the police are trained "us vs them". This isn't shocking. It's horrifying.
There’s retail employees that get more training than American police lmao
I've seen sev articles about cities and towns complaining/blaming police force recruitment problems bc of "poor moral/environment since George Floyd" and COVID deaths/illness. So instead of addressing the root of these problems they're dropping some prerequisites. I'm sure that will fix it.
Those videos were hard to watch. Their attitude about how they beat up an old lady with dementia is atrocious.They all strut around like cave men.
Cops convicted of breaking laws like this should be put in gen pop for the maximum possible sentence, zero chance of parole. They need to be held to a higher standard as part of their code of honor and duty to the public, who pays their fucking checks.
Fuck the police. And if you see someone stealing groceries, no you didn't
Seriously...an old lady. "Stealing" 13$ worth of food? Fuck, id pay her bill.
People do 10 years for a bag of weed.
Hope he gets hogtied in prison.
I’d be surprised if they fulfilled half that sentence. They’ll be out in 2 on good behavior staying 2 years in a cushy cell away from general pop.
Pretty weak slap tbh
Nice derp eyes, dude.
Well, it was a white woman…
“Ready for the pop?” Hopp said, referring to moment when Garner’s shoulder was injured. “Hear the pop?”
I lived in the area when this happened. The women lived in an apartment complex within walking distance of the store and it has a large population of elderly residence who have various issues. It's well known.
The Loveland police department covered this up for almost a year until the victims attorney released the video publicly.
Sending a cop to deal with a mental patient is like hiring a surgeon to build a deck or using a screwdriver on a nail.
"Loveland" seems like the most ironic name possible for this place.
ACAB
Don't know who downvoted you but if that person is reading this to them I say: until good cops turn in the bad ones, ACAB
acab
Yay consequences! But only because
you're downvoted for truth. the cop that broke a black kid's arm on purpose is chillin on paid leave.
ACAB
Reduced to full benefits and record redacted on appeal.
[удалено]
It's a feature, not a bug.
protectandserve
I got banned from that sub by asking if it didn’t make more sense to have social workers respond to autistic people who are having meltdowns. No response… Just banned.
Here comes the lock (up)
It's about time we start seeing accountability around here
Is, is nature healing?
At least one of the bastards paid for his actions
Blue lives don't fucking matter if you are a crooked cunt.
Nobody who looks like that should be allowed to walk around armed. He has the dead eyes of Micheal Myers.
Ok. That's one down. Keep it up arrest and imprison all the bad apples.
He should have just killed her so he could have gotten away with it
This is the best news I've had all day. Thank you
This guy is pure garbage. Just a garbage human being and I hope he gets the ever-loving shit kicked out of him for those 5 years
And also I hope she fucking sues Walmart and wins.
Allahu Akbar!
So is this a landmark case or what? Feel like I've seen numerous stories this extreme where the cop gets paid leave and hero status
He said he was having a bad day. When I had a bad day at Taco Bell I was told to leave my shit at the door. I was 16.
Every cop I've ever met and knew personally is NOT a good person. Every single one has serious closeted issues or is generally a cruel asshole. I'm closely related to multiple and grew up with one and He. Is. A. NIGHTMARE.
Just 5?
5 years is too few
"“I am truly ashamed of my actions,” Hopp said." cause i got in trouble, wasn't he fucking laughing???
What got my blood boiling even more is that after the arrest and tossing the victim all mangled up into the cell without having given any aid, they went to watch the footage for entertainment and were talking and laughing about it as if it were sport in how he maimed the frail old lady.
Oh I guess they do hold cops accountable.
I’m actually surprised when cops get held accountable for their criminal behavior. Good riddance
ACAB
Oh, he did this to a white woman? And got sent to jail?
Good. We need to protect our vulnerable populations from these bullies, they’ve let the power get to their thick heads.
Those 5 years will be shitty for him, he deserves more
Not fit to be a cop. Same with his superiors who tried to cover it up.
Who’s laughing now? Dickhead.
Finally! Beat thing I’ve read in a long time!
I’ll be interested to hear how his wrestling matches in prison work out.
He's gonna get his ass handed to...well other prisoners.
Drop the soap like you dropped that lady
And the other cops who covered up for him get off with nothing. The families lawyers bought this to light and the police tried to fight it...
Is this a proper punishment for a cop? We dont see those often
Troy Goode in Southaven was murdered by the police with a hogtie method.
I live in Loveland CO this is a victorious day for us!
This is awesome and so rare. The rest of his unit must have hated him.
Saw this video…the shitheads at the station replayed his body cam and laughed about it…said hey wait, listen for the pop when her arm dislocates
I'm genuinely surprised anything happened to them. I'm glad he got prison time for it. I was so infuriated when I saw the video originally.
What a weak-minded cop to feel so threatened by an elderly woman.
Nice to see the end of this one. 5 years in for a cop. Tough titties mate!
opened the articles in hope that there would be an actual slap
I swear if they did this to my mother they'd never hear the end of it.
Yes they would. Death tends to be the end of things.
Reading up on Hopp..he's a huge pos. She was
Not enough
Not enough. The other two officers who laughed with him and fiat bumped him after he pointed out the sound of her arm fucking falling apart need to be in jail/six feet under ground before they hurt somebody else as well (guarantee you they've already hurt people).
Good 👍 but he should have gotten more time
"Did you hear the pop? Lol!"
Mother fucker looks dead inside in that mug shot. What a pos.
What happened to the other two cops fist bumping and laughing about the assault.
Well whadaya know, consequences of my actions!
This guy, and the guy who fist bumped him, and his co-workers, are all arseholes.
Good I hope he rots
America does it again.
You mean a self entitled officer does it again
ACAB
I await his parole hearing in two weeks when he's released.
Only cause she was white. Fuck this pig. ACAB
[удалено]
Rape isn’t funny.
no way this posh doesn't get out in 5 years to another cop job with his pension etc . hell it will be 2 years good behavior ..
the cop will be fine - trump will probably commute his sentence and the appoint him to his cabinet after our dimwits vote him in again. then he could really fuck up the disabled and the elderly and people with iqs over 85 who are the sworn enemies of the america first movement.
Sounds like the victim was white.
Wow who would have ever guessed that white people did something in the USA
HA HA HA HA !!!
Didn’t he joke about it too while she was still tied up in their holding cell thing for like hours? I really want to die
Cops who violently abuse their power are the only people the death penalty should apply to.
I do not understand this comment section. This is literally a case where justice was done and the wrongs were righted and this whole thread is just full of comments still like "yeah, fuck the police, execute all the cops" but like... this is the outcome we all wanted...? Bad cop did bad thing and then was shamed, fired, arrested, convicted, and barred from working in law enforcement ever again (because felons can't work in law enforcement). The criminal justice system literally worked as it should work in this case, so why are y'all still mad?