Let's not forget that there was a colossal disinformation campaign lead by a few wealthy people and russia. The whole Cambridge Analytica stuff was just one part of it. It is in russias interest to break the EU apart and deal with individual countries rather than the EU.
It was conservative’s party propaganda to get into power if I’m correct. They pulled the most sensitive topic,limiting migrants and supposed money loss due to being in EU. People bought it. So people I know that voted leave that tell me they believed Tory bullshit few years back today they regret that decision and want them off the power.
What most people on this sub forget is that big European countries with populations in the 10s of millions contain diversity of views, and elections are basically about the balance of views. "The UK" doesn't think X and "France", for example thinks Y.
It was a coup within the British power structures were a faction felt sharing any genuine power with the rest of a pan-European club was unacceptable (as Murdoch said "When I go to Westminster they listen to me, when I go to Brussels they ignore me").
Basically, the right-wing newspapers, which dominate the national news, persuaded the working class, mostly in the North of England, that the reason they were struggling financially was because the EU was taking all the country's money and all the jobs were going to Poles, Romanians, and Bulgarians, and that the reason the NHS was overcrowded was because of all the immigrants from Eastern Europe and the greedy EU taking all the money that could be spent on healthcare. This is despite the fact that all of these problems appear to be the result of subpar government planning and decades of neglect in the North of England.
To be honest, it isn’t about “getting”, it was about xenophobia / racism, cherry picking on laws, attempt to steal from the union, misbelief that United Kingdom is the strongest economy on earth as according to them they were financing the EU, and so on. Hence why, I would be glad to have them where they are, out of EU, so now, as according to them they are the strongest economy on earth they can buy what they need from the EU and pay full taxes ( what isn’t a problem because they have infinite money) and then really finance part of the EU.
Let's not fool ourselves, I'm not from there but I have absolutely no doubt that when answering the question, the people mentally add "with the terms and conditions we had before" to the question.
Le Pen came 2nd in the French presidential election. Meloni and Salvini are in government in Italy. PVV is polling level with VVD in the Netherlands. Orban is PM of Hungary. PiS govern in Poland.
They should learn from the mistake and allow Scotland to have its independence referendum, this time without the proud English bois giving in their own opinions on how Scotland will be worse off if they leave them.
And we (the EU) need to learn as well. If the UK wants to rejoin, they should not get the special treatment they did before. We need to think long and hard about the costs and benefits of every applicant. "Everyone is welcome" doesn't cut it anymore.
Why would any party waste their time on the question? It’s obvious there is no majority in the UK that would accept rejoining the EU under normal conditions.
I am very much in that position myself. Never wanted any of this Brexit bs. It was always stupid and I want to fix or at least limit the damage as soon as possible.
Ironically they're literally the exact sort of idiots that fell for the worst, most populist Brexit propaganda. They only select shitty tabloid sources that tell them what they want to hear, such as these Independent articles, and then believe everything it prints as fact. The idea that rejoining has even begun to enter mainstream political conversations in the UK is just this sub's cirlejerk fantasy.
Pal, you're all into having your former position back while it was unjust. It's not "haha" but recall how your leave campaign had? Of course people will laugh back at racist or xenophobic remarks and smug nonsense. Not that Brexit, by itself, was racist or xenophobic etc., but propaganda for it was - and you expect some sympathy after all that? Including one coming from your own PM about swarm of migrants. Especially if you're into having the unjust nonsense going on but now you losing it? Yes, people are also with sentiments regarding your exceptions and still expecting these to be.
I'm no native speaker so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the article, or essentially the title say that 2/3 support a referendum? Not the return to the EU? Just the referendum?
When people want a referendum is because they either want in or out. Last time was out because they were in, now they tested it and dont like lets join back lol.
That’s one’s gonna be a hard sell for a lot of British people even remainers. Most people in the UK are completely opposed to joining the Eurozone even prior to Brexit.
No, it's crushingly sad. Millions of persons under a right wing government have had their union taken away from them and are losing human rights because of it.
Yea when these polls comes up it usually does not go any deeper because if they did, the polls would realize the british want the same deal they had when they left. Which is just not happening. So they would have to accept all the same rules and regulations of the EU and that inteslf is just not popular.
Sad to see neighbor country having a hard time. If UK wants to enter EU than do it without exceptions like other EU members. Not like Switzerland. But I doubt it will happen in next decade. Maybe in 50 years.
Say what you want, but I applaud everyone in this poll who admitted to their original mistake. The UK belongs in the EU and Europe will also be better for having them back.
Exactly right. We can’t just rejoin (which is why no party is campaigning to do that). We need to make serious democratic reforms first, in particular around media honesty and accountability, and electoral reform to stop the Tories taking absolute power with 40% of the vote time after time so that they can force through this dumb shit.
Because any reasonable person knew that most of the leave campaigns were utter bullshit and were telling lies. And yet so many fell for it, not listening to what the whole of EU said.
I for one would except them back lets stop this diveding stuff and unify a bit more, thank you. (We csn trade them for hungary maybe?) (Or even better just orban) (Can we trade the UK for Orban?)
I remember reading on several occasions in newspapers such as the Times, back in the 1980s that the EEC was initially planned by the NAZIs. This has not been repeated since then, presumably with the Internet, such allegations may be easily debunked. However, my generation, which voted heavily for Brexit, secretly believed that the EU was designed by the Germans to conjure Europe.
Unsurprising; The grey vote was a significant reason for the success of the pro-Brexit camp. Over half a decade later (and post Covid) I’m not even confident the 2% that facilitated Brexit are necessarily even alive (or would be by the next referendum).
If they UK did rejoin it's power would naturally allow them to negotiate exemptions. Britain is a big military, cultural and economic power despite all the current wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media. Britain already has strong bilateral agreements on military lines with France for example and it's re-entry would be a big blow to the Russians and Chinese from a power politics POV. If EU really does have ambitions to be big an independent super power then it can't do it without UK knowhow.
Because this sub wants to believe this so much that they'll cling onto anything that says were either suffering due to brexit or want to return. You could have a survey between your mates and they'd post it on here if it said they regretted brexit.
UK doesn’t use the imperial system except for road signs and even they’re spaced at metric intervals. And you can buy a pint of milk or beer. But that’s it; we’re 100% metric otherwise.
The UK should not rejoin only for financial reasons. People need to feel European first. Not even all people that voted Remain truly feel a part of the European community.
... I live on a continent with three giant federations. It is truly confusing how British people, at least at one moment, thought that leaving a giant federation would be immediately beneficial. It looks like enough people are catching on to what Canadians, Mexican, Americans, and the bulk of Europeans innately know.
Rejoining would be lengthy and complicated. We left the tent due to a firehose of lies. Rejoining won't be like lifting the flap and waltzing back in. I'm not sure EU members will have the goodwill to expedite membership because of our Brexiters' behaviour. Our economy hardly makes us an attractive partner either.
If 2/3 wants to rejoin there is no reason anymore for Starmer to insist on his ludicrous ‘we’ll make Brexit work’ platitudes. I hope he will but I fear he won’t.
Well, as one of a few Europeans who watches the EU-congress, I'm glad that Nigel Farrage left, as all what he had to do in the European Parliament was to throw shit at others!
The issue was and is federalism , the EU wants its institutions to have central control and we don’t want that. n Nothing to do with racism or even economics ( we know/knew trade would be affected ). I wish the EU every success in its social experiments , personally it’s not for me. And two years on , let’s see after 10 how things are.
I do not want them back in, they made their choice. It is not like a hotel that you can go in and out as you please. Moreover, when they were in they always demanded (and obtained) all sort of privileges (exemptions, opt outs ecc.), I do not want this again. You want out, stay out.
Ya no thanks, the UK government is not even close to admit if was the biggest mistake in British modern history. Maybe in future, but right now I don't want a country that talked to much shit about us in our Union.
Sadly BREXIT was doomed to fail because the one world cabal was determined to see to that !! They will not allow any descent !! To go against their globalist agenda is to go against the goal they have sought for so long .
The conditions that EU nations are going to impose almost certainly make this a poison pill (unitary currency, greater federalization, no more UK carve-outs etc.)
Explain to me like I'm 5: What is the Brexit? What was the benefits at the time? What were supposed to be the benefits? Who orchestrated it? I hope for a breakdown.
I still dont get why the UK left the EU. What benefits did they get by leaving?
There aren't any. We've been trying to explain that to the 52% for years but apparently we're part of project fear.
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For centuries Britain was a big empire, some believed they could still do stuff their own way independently.
According to my mum:
Let's not forget that there was a colossal disinformation campaign lead by a few wealthy people and russia. The whole Cambridge Analytica stuff was just one part of it. It is in russias interest to break the EU apart and deal with individual countries rather than the EU.
It was conservative’s party propaganda to get into power if I’m correct. They pulled the most sensitive topic,limiting migrants and supposed money loss due to being in EU. People bought it. So people I know that voted leave that tell me they believed Tory bullshit few years back today they regret that decision and want them off the power.
All the domestic problems were written off by the politicians as "its the EUs fault".
They wanted less migration from the continent. They don’t like european migrants.
Imaginary benefits.
Radicals in both parties pushed for it. For completely different reasons.
Tories have more power, despite ruining the country
Temporary dopamine dump from owning the libs.
What most people on this sub forget is that big European countries with populations in the 10s of millions contain diversity of views, and elections are basically about the balance of views. "The UK" doesn't think X and "France", for example thinks Y.
It was a coup within the British power structures were a faction felt sharing any genuine power with the rest of a pan-European club was unacceptable (as Murdoch said "When I go to Westminster they listen to me, when I go to Brussels they ignore me").
Nationalist populists in Europe love to say that by leaving the EU we would get more "sovereignty" whatever that means
More money for the rich and more division, hate and poverty to the poor. That's the direction of the last decade.
None
So that people could eat fish and chips wrapped in newspaper again. Never minding that it had been banned as a health concern years before.
Freeeedooooom!!!
I've written this in another thread, but when Trump was happening and I saw Brexit I just thought, "Well, we're not that bad".
Basically, the right-wing newspapers, which dominate the national news, persuaded the working class, mostly in the North of England, that the reason they were struggling financially was because the EU was taking all the country's money and all the jobs were going to Poles, Romanians, and Bulgarians, and that the reason the NHS was overcrowded was because of all the immigrants from Eastern Europe and the greedy EU taking all the money that could be spent on healthcare. This is despite the fact that all of these problems appear to be the result of subpar government planning and decades of neglect in the North of England.
To be honest, it isn’t about “getting”, it was about xenophobia / racism, cherry picking on laws, attempt to steal from the union, misbelief that United Kingdom is the strongest economy on earth as according to them they were financing the EU, and so on. Hence why, I would be glad to have them where they are, out of EU, so now, as according to them they are the strongest economy on earth they can buy what they need from the EU and pay full taxes ( what isn’t a problem because they have infinite money) and then really finance part of the EU.
It's one thing to make a mistake, second to learn from it. Glad to hear.
Let's not fool ourselves, I'm not from there but I have absolutely no doubt that when answering the question, the people mentally add "with the terms and conditions we had before" to the question.
It would be funny to see Bulgaria veto them :D
They learned nothing. There is currently no "rejoin" path for UK, specially on conditions they want
I honestly don’t mind the UK 🇬🇧 being out of the European Union 🇪🇺 I sleep just fine at night.
Le Pen came 2nd in the French presidential election. Meloni and Salvini are in government in Italy. PVV is polling level with VVD in the Netherlands. Orban is PM of Hungary. PiS govern in Poland.
They should learn from the mistake and allow Scotland to have its independence referendum, this time without the proud English bois giving in their own opinions on how Scotland will be worse off if they leave them.
And we (the EU) need to learn as well. If the UK wants to rejoin, they should not get the special treatment they did before. We need to think long and hard about the costs and benefits of every applicant. "Everyone is welcome" doesn't cut it anymore.
If the UK applied to rejoin, would they have to meet the same criteria and rules as other new applicants? ERM, Euro etc?
Euro is not binding anyways. You are obliged as a member state to move towards implementation, but nowhere does it say hoe long that should take.
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2030: 2 years after rejoining the EU, 70% of Britons think it was a mistake
Plausible. Because the privileges they used to enjoy are not in the cards anymore. It won't be like how it was.
All the other ingredients for Brexit 2.0 are still in place, just need to add some more EU Membership...
Sounds right
And not one major political party is representing that, so it can't happen.
Why would any party waste their time on the question? It’s obvious there is no majority in the UK that would accept rejoining the EU under normal conditions.
SNP want to rejoin.
Volt UK
Libdem and the green want to rejoin (and SNP ofc). Not labour or Tories, but still significant parties
Why are you surprised by this?
While everyone from the EU in this thread being smug enjoying making comments -
Thankfully the weirdos on the sub aren't representative of the real sentiment.
48% of us never wanted to leave.
TBH what I find more depressing is that few of the underlying issues. that caused people to vote for brexit. have been dealt with.
I am very much in that position myself. Never wanted any of this Brexit bs. It was always stupid and I want to fix or at least limit the damage as soon as possible.
Yeah they act like theyve never had a shitty government.
I would be happy to welcome the UK back.
Ironically they're literally the exact sort of idiots that fell for the worst, most populist Brexit propaganda. They only select shitty tabloid sources that tell them what they want to hear, such as these Independent articles, and then believe everything it prints as fact. The idea that rejoining has even begun to enter mainstream political conversations in the UK is just this sub's cirlejerk fantasy.
Not "everyone from the EU" but rather "everyone in
Pal, you're all into having your former position back while it was unjust. It's not "haha" but recall how your leave campaign had? Of course people will laugh back at racist or xenophobic remarks and smug nonsense. Not that Brexit, by itself, was racist or xenophobic etc., but propaganda for it was - and you expect some sympathy after all that? Including one coming from your own PM about swarm of migrants. Especially if you're into having the unjust nonsense going on but now you losing it? Yes, people are also with sentiments regarding your exceptions and still expecting these to be.
Not everyone. Most of people in eastern EU see UK as more reliable partner rather than France or Germany, so you are welcome :)
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I feel mostly bad for those who voted to remain. They got fucked over the hardest.
I'm no native speaker so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the article, or essentially the title say that 2/3 support a referendum? Not the return to the EU? Just the referendum?
When people want a referendum is because they either want in or out. Last time was out because they were in, now they tested it and dont like lets join back lol.
"Babe please take me back ! This time it will be different I swear ! I CHANGED !"
I want to settle down
Bre-cha-cha
Well, their national animal, the lion is a big cat after all.
It's more like "Babe they took me away form you but I think about you every day and I'm trying to get back"
If UK wants to come back they have to adhere to Eurozone. And we could get Queen Elizabeth II on the 1€ coins.
That’s one’s gonna be a hard sell for a lot of British people even remainers. Most people in the UK are completely opposed to joining the Eurozone even prior to Brexit.
I think more generally, UK should join EU only if they want to actually be in the EU, and build united Europe together.
And change the road signs to km
It's King Charles now.
Aww, just realized that we won't ever get to see that, outside of possible commemorative coins in the far, far future.
This will not happen in a million years. The British population would rather be in poverty than have to pay with euros.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the queen is dead, so the coins would have King Charles on them.
Do they really have to? There are still a few Euro countries that aren't using the Euro.
She’s dead so it’s big ears
I would love that. Would be one of the more interesting 1€ for me at least
"of course you can come back.. all you have to do is agree to change your currency"
Something I don’t see the British agreeing to.
And a change of measurement standards, no more pints and buckets or poppyseeds.
you know what?,
This ! This would be hilarious!
My biggest fear is that if the UK rejoins the EU, Farage will be back at the EP sprouting anti EU bs.
The level of vitriol between EU and British comments on this thread are as nearly bitter as the vitriol between Remainers and Brexiteers.
Brought to you by the same people who said that UK will never vote for Brexit.
Remember about that French minister who called her cat brexit ? Because he never now if he wants in or out …
Lots of very cringey comments from Europeans who have this misplaced sense of superiority that the EU is something kind of holistic nirvana.
The UK should be allowed to join... as equals. No special rules. No exemptions. No opt-outs.
Happy to stay out, thanks.
Support would likely drop below 20% once they realize they'd have to change currency.
It would be years before that's even a remote possibility.
Now this is simply hilarious
Better now and cut the crisis although they won’t get their “special conditions” they had last time - curious what they think about that.
Yea...its too funy. Please remember the vote was painfuly close to 50/50 at the time so for 48.1% of brits this is still not fucking funny....
Yeah lol
No, it's crushingly sad. Millions of persons under a right wing government have had their union taken away from them and are losing human rights because of it.
I never understood why it just needed 52% for such mayor decision
They just wasted 5 years bickering while leaving. Before that they spend 30 years cherrypicking and sabotaging the EU from within.
Yea when these polls comes up it usually does not go any deeper because if they did, the polls would realize the british want the same deal they had when they left. Which is just not happening. So they would have to accept all the same rules and regulations of the EU and that inteslf is just not popular.
I don't know why the EU would even want them. They're gonna be another Hungary.
We do need UK in the EU, don't be smug, they're a very powerful ally
What is happening in the UK ELI5? The economy is going to shrink in 2023, but so is in many European countries?
Yes, but UK economic performance is worse than most of the EU since COVID. Also, forecasts for the next few years are worse. Especially for growth.
Now let’s see what the percentage is when Euro and Schengen are mentioned…
Now ask them again after they've had a pint or two.
Sad to see neighbor country having a hard time. If UK wants to enter EU than do it without exceptions like other EU members. Not like Switzerland. But I doubt it will happen in next decade. Maybe in 50 years.
Say what you want, but I applaud everyone in this poll who admitted to their original mistake. The UK belongs in the EU and Europe will also be better for having them back.
Ironic.
As a european living and working in the UK I pray for this to be true, not the poll itself but a future referendum.
Awkward…
Exactly right. We can’t just rejoin (which is why no party is campaigning to do that). We need to make serious democratic reforms first, in particular around media honesty and accountability, and electoral reform to stop the Tories taking absolute power with 40% of the vote time after time so that they can force through this dumb shit.
Can we veto them ?
Any memberstate can block an ascension.
Why is this sub acting all smug that people have openly admitted they made a mistake and want to rectify it?
Because those same people acted smug when they left.
Because any reasonable person knew that most of the leave campaigns were utter bullshit and were telling lies. And yet so many fell for it, not listening to what the whole of EU said.
They don't want to be part if the EU. They just want the benefits without responsibilities.
Smug? Most here want UK back, but not with the exemptions you had last time, which make sense tbh
You have to remember the Europeans are not our friends, and never have been.
I'd say it's better with England in, we're stronger together. I hope they can join again in the future.
I for one would except them back lets stop this diveding stuff and unify a bit more, thank you. (We csn trade them for hungary maybe?) (Or even better just orban) (Can we trade the UK for Orban?)
I remember reading on several occasions in newspapers such as the Times, back in the 1980s that the EEC was initially planned by the NAZIs. This has not been repeated since then, presumably with the Internet, such allegations may be easily debunked. However, my generation, which voted heavily for Brexit, secretly believed that the EU was designed by the Germans to conjure Europe.
For example, a UK minister was forced to resign for saying "This is all a German racket designed to take over the whole of Europe"
Unsurprising; The grey vote was a significant reason for the success of the pro-Brexit camp. Over half a decade later (and post Covid) I’m not even confident the 2% that facilitated Brexit are necessarily even alive (or would be by the next referendum).
If they UK did rejoin it's power would naturally allow them to negotiate exemptions. Britain is a big military, cultural and economic power despite all the current wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media. Britain already has strong bilateral agreements on military lines with France for example and it's re-entry would be a big blow to the Russians and Chinese from a power politics POV. If EU really does have ambitions to be big an independent super power then it can't do it without UK knowhow.
Who are they asking for these? I fail to see how it’s speaking for the majority. Most people I know still stand by brexit.
It's the most clickbait source in the universe. They probably just made the survey up on the spot, knowing how the Independent behaves.
In the words of Monty Python's Dark Knight........
Haven't you seen the "Yes, Prime Minister" sketch about surveys?
Why is this still being talked about?
Because this sub wants to believe this so much that they'll cling onto anything that says were either suffering due to brexit or want to return. You could have a survey between your mates and they'd post it on here if it said they regretted brexit.
To warn other Eurosceptics.
Because it was the most catastrophic decision to have been taken in my lifetime, and it's only 6 years on. Why do you expect silence on the matter?
Drop the imperial system and we will talk.
UK doesn’t use the imperial system except for road signs and even they’re spaced at metric intervals. And you can buy a pint of milk or beer. But that’s it; we’re 100% metric otherwise.
To be fair, the little signs on the side of the motorway measure the road in km, not miles. Not many people know that.
The UK should not rejoin only for financial reasons. People need to feel European first. Not even all people that voted Remain truly feel a part of the European community.
Who said the UK should only join for financial reasons?
Of course. The huge receipts Romania takes from the EU pot has absolutely nothing to do with their passionate European identity.
Leaving the EU was the dumbest modern mistake Britain could have done
I am part briton par french and I feel th EU is more active without the UK dragging on everything.
The UK spanked way more money on COVID than most other countries so I'm not sure where the idea of a COVID package not passing comes from.
... I live on a continent with three giant federations. It is truly confusing how British people, at least at one moment, thought that leaving a giant federation would be immediately beneficial. It looks like enough people are catching on to what Canadians, Mexican, Americans, and the bulk of Europeans innately know.
This sub wants to believe this is true so much that it will believe a survey from this rag. The hate in the comments is pretty pathetic as well.
Brentry
This sub is filled with EU federalists. It is pretty lame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
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I mean, it's just a funny little poll, especially when you look at the wording and thing about it a little bit. Still funny tho!
Rejoining would be lengthy and complicated. We left the tent due to a firehose of lies. Rejoining won't be like lifting the flap and waltzing back in. I'm not sure EU members will have the goodwill to expedite membership because of our Brexiters' behaviour. Our economy hardly makes us an attractive partner either.
Why a referendum? There is no constitutional need for it, as there was no constitutional need for the Brexit referendum either.
That’s nice and all, but we don’t want you back, or only on our terms, which probably aren’t agreeable to you!
What, EU is getting a booty call?
Good luck keeping the pound if they do.
They will not be allowed back.
Oh shiiieeettttt here we go again
Wow, people were right about Bing being better for porn searches.
If 2/3 wants to rejoin there is no reason anymore for Starmer to insist on his ludicrous ‘we’ll make Brexit work’ platitudes. I hope he will but I fear he won’t.
Too late.
Now the UK will need to negotiate with current members states and likely make a lot of concessions to return the EU.
Two major obstacles probably would be having to adopt euro, and to join Schengen.
Well, as one of a few Europeans who watches the EU-congress, I'm glad that Nigel Farrage left, as all what he had to do in the European Parliament was to throw shit at others!
Leaving the EU was a dumb move by the UK
What I don’t think they realize in the UK is you will go NO carve outs. You will have to take The Euro. You will have to take on The EUHC.
So at the end of it all, the self serving politicians lied to the populace. What a surprise.
Voting on a proposal is different from voting on the outcome.
The issue was and is federalism , the EU wants its institutions to have central control and we don’t want that. n Nothing to do with racism or even economics ( we know/knew trade would be affected ). I wish the EU every success in its social experiments , personally it’s not for me. And two years on , let’s see after 10 how things are.
Nope
Personally I would favour rejoining without a referendum.
So let's have a referendum in the EU on if we should the UK rejoin?
France should do it first. Would save a lot of money for the rest of us!
I do not want them back in, they made their choice. It is not like a hotel that you can go in and out as you please. Moreover, when they were in they always demanded (and obtained) all sort of privileges (exemptions, opt outs ecc.), I do not want this again. You want out, stay out.
I'm European, and no thanks. In the long run, it'll be a good thing for us that they left.
How deep are brexitlanders stuck in their own asses to not realise that the world is not circling around them?
I would love for the UK to be back, doesn’t feel the same without them
Ya no thanks, the UK government is not even close to admit if was the biggest mistake in British modern history. Maybe in future, but right now I don't want a country that talked to much shit about us in our Union.
Welcome back!
Sadly BREXIT was doomed to fail because the one world cabal was determined to see to that !! They will not allow any descent !! To go against their globalist agenda is to go against the goal they have sought for so long .
UK is a mess
The conditions that EU nations are going to impose almost certainly make this a poison pill (unitary currency, greater federalization, no more UK carve-outs etc.)
Nah, keep that far-right clown-car out; we have enough of those already..
They should have to give up the £ to rejoin. 😂
No thx
Lmao
Explain to me like I'm 5: What is the Brexit? What was the benefits at the time? What were supposed to be the benefits? Who orchestrated it? I hope for a breakdown.
Too late, we don't miss you!