Mexico? I'm not worried about Mexico. it's those fuckin Canucks we need to keep an eye on. sneaky bastards with their manners and health care and attempts at social justice. there's no room for that kind of thinking in the USA.
Dude is Mexicans are not stupid, like we all ready have enough problems on our own to be thinking about invading another country like…, the sheer idea of it just makes me laugh.
I've been saying for a while now that Canada annexing Detroit and Buffalo would cool the housing crisis and provide an improved standard of living to residents of these cities due to the increased investment and people flooding there to buy up the dirt cheap houses
If they absorbed the U.S. and gave us the right to participate in democracy. All those that vote liberal or conservative will still vote that. Not sure if that's a good thing for Canada. It would just bring American brand of politics into Canada. At least there will be more parties to spread it out.
Defend our borders from what? No seriously, what does she think is happening at our borders? She said she voted Trump because she was all about the wall so she must think some egregious circumstances are happening there.
I live in Arizona and have been by the border in multiple spots over the last year. The only thing that happened is getting a flat tire from a piece of metal left over from the border wall construction. Some troops would have been nice in assisting me with putting on the spare. But that's about it.
You know, as a Texan, it actually DISGUSTS me how many politicians literally fall over themselves to make anything about the border their center stage political crutch. I also can’t believe that other Texans eat this shit up. Some of them know 100% it’s BS and stand behind it. No one is talking about the millions of dollars we dump into the pockets of political people to solve an imaginary issue.
There are non-white people trying to get into the country. If we let them in, it means the country is a little less white. Don't overthink it. They categorize illegal aliens as an "invasion". That and Ann Coulter is openly racist.
Probably the Canadians. They are too quiet and polite, so it must mean they are up to something. They're probably planning on hopping the border to burn down the white hoise again. /s
It's stopping women from leaving for abortions, of course! You got to protect those fetuses until they're old enough to be stuck in cages and forgotten. /s
Foxs News is telling these simps that the border crisis is destroying their way of life. Meanwhile these people just want to have a decent life and are mowing her lawn, picking her vegetables and doing her home renovations
I'm sure there are tons of Finnish troops that would appreciate the free vacation in the USA considering there is no Russian invasion there. Most would be wearing their Hawaiian shirts, flip flops, Oakleys and Kodak Instamatics
NATO’s article 5 (the “you attack one of us, you attack us all” clause) was invoked once. It was the US that did that after 9/11. NATO stood by their ally.
Joining Nato means "America's military can now defend us, so we'll divert all military spending into things like universal healthcare, and then mock america for not having universal healthcare."
The US has a FUCKLOAD of troops in Europe on standby at any given moment, and it was upgraded to an absolute SHIT TON during Russia's special dumbass operation in Ukraine. Something people fail to consider is the extreme deterrent that is having the US as your ally. You avoid wars in the first place because of the US.
As much as I hate to agree with this idiot, you are wrong about her being wrong on the first point. She did say IF Finland joins NATO. So despite her lack of much awareness, she is aware Finland isn’t part of NATO yet.
Well she said if Finland joins Nato so she is not claiming it is part of it so 1 is wrong. Then she she said “on the hook” implying that it could happen if Russia does go to war with Finland in a post Nato join so 2 is wrong. And 3 is technically correct but Finland isn’t being attacked either currently so idk.
Evidently the are some high profile Russians in the military who would like to escalate the war (for example mass mobilization) but it would be a political suicide for Putin so it is unlikely to happen. So I'm not holding my breath but I do hope there are also high profile people who think it's better to stop the war.
Anyone feel a bit dirty after reading any tweets by these magahats? I bet the average Finn cares more about American troops than this... person. Source, am a Finn.
Don’t put too much stock in what ingraham says, most of the people that are young enough to fight don’t watch that boomer hack and if the US formally declares war, she and her ilk will be pimpslapped under the war powers act for spreading disinformation
I don't understand this whole "sending young Americans to die" line of thinking. Like, it would be one thing if they were drafted to go protect Finland. But, they signed up to join the armed forces, and are paid a salary using our tax dollars. Their job is to fight when America deems it to be in our interest to do so. What exactly did they think they were signing up for? A free Dodge Charger with TruckNutzTM attached?
Frankly guys, we were THIS close to intervening on Jan 6.... not really, but still the thought was there. I wonder if the US should send troops to oversee the next US elections to see that everything happens peacefully and democratically.
On the one hand, even me as a white guy can't move freely between white borders. Canada would likely charge me, England would likely charge me, New Zealand, Australia, etc. All of them would at the bare minimum expel me, if they didn't charge me with a crime and keep me there to serve it.
She’s a troll. Her job is to come up with deliberately stupid opinions so that people can get mad at her to maintain her image. She’s been doing this since before (I bet) most of you could vote.
Well actually, Ann, between 1939 and 1945 (you know, World War II) Finland fought THREE wars. One of them against Soviet Russia and one against Nazi Germany and one against Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany at the same time. And Finland won all three of them, Ann. So if Russia ever tries to invade your country, Ann, you should be damned lucky if Finland is on your team.
Well, no, that's not quite right. The Second Soviet-Finnish war for example didn't go too well for Finland. But it was a confusing time and I agree with the last part.
No no no no. We fought first a defensive war against Soviet Union (Winter War). Then, we loosely allied with Nazi Germany to attack Soviet Union (Continuation war). Both of which we technically lost. USSR achieved what could only be considered the most Pyrrhic of Victories, however.
These countries (Ukraine Finland etc) are already protecting your borders by taking on one your biggest enemies, Russia for you.Its not your boarders that need protecting your enemy is within Americans attacked in Washington D.C and tried to overthrough your government.
Unfortunately, the united states aren't under attack and haven't requested aid from NATO therefore there's no reason for Finland to send troops to the US border. Alongside they aren't even part of NATO. They just applied.
Per Article 5, if Finland is in NATO, they would defend the US border if it was invaded. That's exactly how a mutual defence treaty works. Good job Ann.
Ann Coulter, a sentient piece of toast, doesn't understand how NATO works and believes Russia would beat us in a border dispute when they've spent months shitting themselves in Ukraine.
As someone who is active duty I have to say if you vote republican you are objectively a worthless human being and I defend my country in spite of you not because of you.
Exactly. It's been clear as day for a while now Subs and tunnels are how most illegal products like guns and drugs get in. The 16 story deep tunnel they found the other day just seals the deal. Troops patrolling the border above ground won't actually do anything more than we already do with IR and drones.
I don't think it matters if you ask for them, if there is the chance to go to war, the US would probably arrive at your border before the russians do. Which would be good of course, a little bit weird, but good. In this case.
Sure, we can do that. Ann of course first has to say that USA is too weak to do it themselves and need assistance. After that the Finnish border guards will do what they do here: let people in the country, accept all asylum requests as default and then start processing them... Cause those are the international agreements that USA has also signed.
Biden let’s in less legal immigrants than trump per year, and illegal immigrants still get detained at the border or picked up by ice (which is still expanded from the trump days), and republicans cry as if following trumps plan for immigration is some awful miserable thing for a president to do…. As soon as a Democrat president simply continues it.
Yes - please do that. Declare the crisis at the Mexican/American border to be a military conflict in which the cartels and criminal organisations are a foreign entity posing a threat to the United States. Then Mobilise NATO.
Ann 90% of people crossing the border are in the roofing construction business, 9% are in the hospitality business. The 1% bringing drugs are coming through tunnels and private jets.
The funny thing is that the only thing that would motivate me to join our military is to actually defend the sovereignty of another nation. Most American boys would be honored to sacrifice their life defending actual freedom.
So many ‘conservative pundits’ outing themselves as putin shills, I just don’t get it. Is it simply a case of the enemy of my enemy (biden) is my friend? I understand why trump behaves like putin’s bitch but why has it become almost a requirement for these people to toe putin’s line?
How come no one talks about America’s border with the Atlantic. With global warming and rising oceans the Atlantic is stealing American territory right from under their feet.
Counting the Diomede islands, Russia and the U.S. are only 2 and a half miles apart. It may be water but that is plenty close to be considered a border 🤷🏼♂️
Man, I hope Finland sees this and does just that.... by sending 2 guys, one for each border... with smart phones so they can livestream all the action they see every day. Bonus points if neither if them speak a word of English.
im sure if mexico started getting uppity finland would send a couple dudes.
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Finland would send dudes on skis with rpgs
Mexico? I'm not worried about Mexico. it's those fuckin Canucks we need to keep an eye on. sneaky bastards with their manners and health care and attempts at social justice. there's no room for that kind of thinking in the USA.
Dude is Mexicans are not stupid, like we all ready have enough problems on our own to be thinking about invading another country like…, the sheer idea of it just makes me laugh.
Mexico? Nah, it's the Canadians you all need to worry about
We live in constant fear of the Canadian threat. Wait they get free health insurance! I'd be thrilled if they expanded their border!
70% of their population lives with 50 miles of the border. They are preparing to invade!
I volunteer to go undercover and live amongst them for a couple of decades. I’ll text you guys if anything comes up.
Please Canada, invade.
I've been saying for a while now that Canada annexing Detroit and Buffalo would cool the housing crisis and provide an improved standard of living to residents of these cities due to the increased investment and people flooding there to buy up the dirt cheap houses
Send in the moose!
Weed is legalized too 👀
If they absorbed the U.S. and gave us the right to participate in democracy. All those that vote liberal or conservative will still vote that. Not sure if that's a good thing for Canada. It would just bring American brand of politics into Canada. At least there will be more parties to spread it out.
Defend our borders from what? No seriously, what does she think is happening at our borders? She said she voted Trump because she was all about the wall so she must think some egregious circumstances are happening there.
The European NATO members guarantee the Mexican border. US guarantees the Russia border. Europe would unanimously sign for that in a heartbeat.
If the US need anti air privates from Finland I’ll volunteer to protect the US borders!
Knowing the right wing in America, they probably imagine the southern border to be something like the Wall of Game of Thrones.
I live in Arizona and have been by the border in multiple spots over the last year. The only thing that happened is getting a flat tire from a piece of metal left over from the border wall construction. Some troops would have been nice in assisting me with putting on the spare. But that's about it.
Also, despite not being in NATO, Finns did send soldiers to that US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Defend the borders from darker skinned immigrants ig?
You know, as a Texan, it actually DISGUSTS me how many politicians literally fall over themselves to make anything about the border their center stage political crutch. I also can’t believe that other Texans eat this shit up. Some of them know 100% it’s BS and stand behind it. No one is talking about the millions of dollars we dump into the pockets of political people to solve an imaginary issue.
There are non-white people trying to get into the country. If we let them in, it means the country is a little less white. Don't overthink it. They categorize illegal aliens as an "invasion". That and Ann Coulter is openly racist.
She thinks that homicidal, drug dealing brown people from El Salvador and elsewhere are pouring over the border to come take ahr jerbs and do murders.
Much like the Buffalo shooter, Anne Coulter genuinely thinks that immigration is indistinguishable from armed invasion.
Maybe she is worried that Canada wants to burn down Washington again.
She thinks Russia built a tunnel to Cuba and are going to pop out of it and invade Florida.
They are spinning up the narrative that immigrants are coming to replace white Americans.
If we went to war with mexico, you bet your ass finnish soldiers would be protecting our border. Its not fucking rocket science.
Those polar bears are up to something
From those damn Canadians, obviously.
Probably the Canadians. They are too quiet and polite, so it must mean they are up to something. They're probably planning on hopping the border to burn down the white hoise again. /s
Out of curiosity, if somehow the US did have actual border aggression, In theory NATO would be over here helping us the same way, right?
The thinking is
It's stopping women from leaving for abortions, of course! You got to protect those fetuses until they're old enough to be stuck in cages and forgotten. /s
Yea, like this isnt game of thrones. The mexicans arent building a large army of undead. The canadians on the otherhand...
You have to understand this.
Russians are funding cartels to keep Americans addicted to drugs and distracted by immigrants.
Foxs News is telling these simps that the border crisis is destroying their way of life. Meanwhile these people just want to have a decent life and are mowing her lawn, picking her vegetables and doing her home renovations
As a Canadian I wouldn’t be opposed to Finnish troops keeping Americans out of here /s
/s but not really /s
I'm sure there are tons of Finnish troops that would appreciate the free vacation in the USA considering there is no Russian invasion there. Most would be wearing their Hawaiian shirts, flip flops, Oakleys and Kodak Instamatics
As soon as they try to fight you on hockey, its up tho, right?
man, I've lived in a border state to Canada my whole life and haven't done a damn thing to you folks up there. Why you hating on me?
As an American…. I agree with this guy
As an American just over the border, I need my regular Canada breaks to maintain my sanity!
How about you keep out of danish territory!!!
NATO’s article 5 (the “you attack one of us, you attack us all” clause) was invoked once. It was the US that did that after 9/11. NATO stood by their ally.
Sweden and Finland helped in both Afghanistan and Iraq without being members!
Joining Nato means "America's military can now defend us, so we'll divert all military spending into things like universal healthcare, and then mock america for not having universal healthcare."
The US has a FUCKLOAD of troops in Europe on standby at any given moment, and it was upgraded to an absolute SHIT TON during Russia's special dumbass operation in Ukraine. Something people fail to consider is the extreme deterrent that is having the US as your ally. You avoid wars in the first place because of the US.
Americans forget that very important fact.
Your here saying Americans need to go fight a war across the globe. I want you to be first on that list seeing as you support it so much.
No one has attacked a NATO member in a long time. I don't understand what you mean.
Furthermore, the US is THE ONLY country in NATO history to invoke article 5 of the agreement. The US invoked it after the 9/11 attacks
This bitch really thinks Canada gonna invade us
its manufactured rage to sell to the Republican masses.
Nothing she ever says has any truth to it. Same with every right wing lunatic
But who is going to attack the USA. There is no one who would even consider that scenario besides Russia
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As much as I hate to agree with this idiot, you are wrong about her being wrong on the first point. She did say IF Finland joins NATO. So despite her lack of much awareness, she is aware Finland isn’t part of NATO yet.
Well she said if Finland joins Nato so she is not claiming it is part of it so 1 is wrong. Then she she said “on the hook” implying that it could happen if Russia does go to war with Finland in a post Nato join so 2 is wrong. And 3 is technically correct but Finland isn’t being attacked either currently so idk.
I think she's implying "protect our border from immigrants."
Finnish military trained guy here.
Evidently the are some high profile Russians in the military who would like to escalate the war (for example mass mobilization) but it would be a political suicide for Putin so it is unlikely to happen. So I'm not holding my breath but I do hope there are also high profile people who think it's better to stop the war.
"Finnish military trained guy"
The world would be a better place with Finland being the wannabe global hegemon
I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords.
They invented the bt-42 by frankensteining dead tanks together. I fear them
What could have been if only the Finno-Korean Hyperwar ended differently.
I mean someone could make a bot to just post every tweet of hers directly to
And yet we're reading what she says and talking about her, which is her only goal.
Yeah.. if the USA comes under attack, almost whole of Europe will chip in. That's maybe less then the USA but still significant.
Anyone feel a bit dirty after reading any tweets by these magahats? I bet the average Finn cares more about American troops than this... person. Source, am a Finn.
Don’t put too much stock in what ingraham says, most of the people that are young enough to fight don’t watch that boomer hack and if the US formally declares war, she and her ilk will be pimpslapped under the war powers act for spreading disinformation
Yeah, the amount of Russian propaganda that gets spread by these people is gross.
No need! Most of America's greatest enemies are domestic.
They would if Amerika was attacked. But to understand that she would need a brain
But murica is being attacked by those illegals who steal our jobs!?! /s
I don't understand this whole "sending young Americans to die" line of thinking. Like, it would be one thing if they were drafted to go protect Finland. But, they signed up to join the armed forces, and are paid a salary using our tax dollars. Their job is to fight when America deems it to be in our interest to do so. What exactly did they think they were signing up for? A free Dodge Charger with TruckNutzTM attached?
In their minds, a single brown person stepping foot in American is worse than the holocaust.
Frankly guys, we were THIS close to intervening on Jan 6.... not really, but still the thought was there. I wonder if the US should send troops to oversee the next US elections to see that everything happens peacefully and democratically.
Seriously, this might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Twitter, and that says a lot.
Some of the reply’s are equivalent stupid. Thats why its dangerous to play with dumb shit
Literally its a defense pact, not a "we reinforce other countries racism" pact.
On the one hand, even me as a white guy can't move freely between white borders. Canada would likely charge me, England would likely charge me, New Zealand, Australia, etc. All of them would at the bare minimum expel me, if they didn't charge me with a crime and keep me there to serve it.
Just to think soldiers would come to America to be extra ICE troops.
Can someone explain to me who this person is?
She's an actress from Sharknado 3
An American conservative media personality.
She’s a troll. Her job is to come up with deliberately stupid opinions so that people can get mad at her to maintain her image. She’s been doing this since before (I bet) most of you could vote.
an uglier wanna-be Margaret T-Green.
American conservative media ghoul.
American conservative political commentator/analyst. She's been around for a couple of decades doing that.
"But it's not too late to change Ann, you could kill yourself"
If she’s here then who’s scaring the crows away from our crops!?
Had no idea who she was when I first saw that roast and kinda felt bad for her since she seemed out of place there. Don’t feel bad anymore lmao
I love that it turned into the roast of Ann
Supposedly this lady has written several books? I have some questions….
She probably wrote them in crayon
Well actually, Ann, between 1939 and 1945 (you know, World War II) Finland fought THREE wars. One of them against Soviet Russia and one against Nazi Germany and one against Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany at the same time. And Finland won all three of them, Ann. So if Russia ever tries to invade your country, Ann, you should be damned lucky if Finland is on your team.
Well, no, that's not quite right. The Second Soviet-Finnish war for example didn't go too well for Finland. But it was a confusing time and I agree with the last part.
No no no no. We fought first a defensive war against Soviet Union (Winter War). Then, we loosely allied with Nazi Germany to attack Soviet Union (Continuation war). Both of which we technically lost. USSR achieved what could only be considered the most Pyrrhic of Victories, however.
These countries (Ukraine Finland etc) are already protecting your borders by taking on one your biggest enemies, Russia for you.Its not your boarders that need protecting your enemy is within Americans attacked in Washington D.C and tried to overthrough your government.
What a dumb bitch
I feel like the inability to distinguish between actual military invaders and people you just don’t like is super on brand for these folks.
As a Canadian I take this personally. /s
Ann Coulter happens when smugness and stupidity hit each other at near-light speed
What boarder lmao next she’s gonna request them to send troops to defend the uk from Chinese invasions
Sure - if Mexico or Canada invades using their armed forces, Finland (and every other Nato country) would send troops.
Someone seems awfully miffed that another country has applied to join nato to help protect itself from Russia.
Unfortunately, the united states aren't under attack and haven't requested aid from NATO therefore there's no reason for Finland to send troops to the US border. Alongside they aren't even part of NATO. They just applied.
Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot.
ANN COULTER? If YOU'RE here, who's scaring the CROWS AWAY FROM OUR CROPS?
This woman is among the most vile, ignorant, horrid, evil pieces of shit on the face of Earth.
Can’t be too careful with those poutine wielding Canadians. Keep em oot.
Ann was big during the bush years where she basically was racist war mongering bitch. She was replaced by Tomi Lahren and Lauren whatever
"Replacement theory"?
Something tells me they're not talking about the Bering Strait.
Which foreign power is threatening the US border?
If Ann Coulter has time to tweet…..
Article 5 has been invoked once - by the US after 9/11. US did recieve help.
Per Article 5, if Finland is in NATO, they would defend the US border if it was invaded. That's exactly how a mutual defence treaty works. Good job Ann.
Ann Coulter is a dried up hag.
Ann Coulter, a sentient piece of toast, doesn't understand how NATO works and believes Russia would beat us in a border dispute when they've spent months shitting themselves in Ukraine.
She is as unbearably stupid as her followers.
As someone who is active duty I have to say if you vote republican you are objectively a worthless human being and I defend my country in spite of you not because of you.
Bold of you to think Mexico or Canada want fuck all to do with the USA.
Defend our border from what? Starving families?
Exactly. It's been clear as day for a while now Subs and tunnels are how most illegal products like guns and drugs get in. The 16 story deep tunnel they found the other day just seals the deal. Troops patrolling the border above ground won't actually do anything more than we already do with IR and drones.
I mean, Finland likely would send troops to defend USA borders if asked to. Is it Canadian moose invasion she is worried about or..?
Don't go confusing us all with geography!!!
I don't think it matters if you ask for them, if there is the chance to go to war, the US would probably arrive at your border before the russians do. Which would be good of course, a little bit weird, but good. In this case.
So she is saying, that the US should have foreign troops in their territory?
She is in fact advocating for a foreign occupation by a military power for her own emotions to feel better.
Jesus Christ, when did the republican party become the Russian party? What the FUUCK.
ah yes, 1399 likes.
Cant trust canada
Sure, we can do that. Ann of course first has to say that USA is too weak to do it themselves and need assistance. After that the Finnish border guards will do what they do here: let people in the country, accept all asylum requests as default and then start processing them... Cause those are the international agreements that USA has also signed.
The Coultergeist strikes again! She's so painfully stupid.
We are at war with Mexico?
It's okay. She's so smart it takes an extra chromosome to grasp her plans.
Except for the Civil war centuries ago, America has known no war on their soil. Protect your borders against what? You have no idea what war is.
Biden let’s in less legal immigrants than trump per year, and illegal immigrants still get detained at the border or picked up by ice (which is still expanded from the trump days), and republicans cry as if following trumps plan for immigration is some awful miserable thing for a president to do…. As soon as a Democrat president simply continues it.
The selfishness, sadism and short sightedness of the political right continues to astound me
Good God ... is that hag still around?
I must have missed the breaking news that Mexican tanks were blitzkrieging through El Paso.
Yes - please do that. Declare the crisis at the Mexican/American border to be a military conflict in which the cartels and criminal organisations are a foreign entity posing a threat to the United States. Then Mobilise NATO.
Ann 90% of people crossing the border are in the roofing construction business, 9% are in the hospitality business. The 1% bringing drugs are coming through tunnels and private jets.
From what, Canadians and destitute Mexicans?
Why do these sensationlist morons keep getting free airtime?
I’m all in favor of Finland protecting our border from rightwing enemies of the state.
Lol they literally ARE on the hook to defend the US from invasion.
I keep forgetting she exists now that I don't have to shelve her books at the library anymore lol
Hi Finland! It's your besty USA over here in America. We're under attack!!
Can we get some Finnish troops to assist in deporting Ann Coulter back to whatever festering shithole she was spawned from?
If illegals are taking all our jobs, why is there a shortage of workers?
I like Ann. She’s dependable. As in you can depend on her to ALWAYS say something stupid.
Republicans when they speak.
The funny thing is that the only thing that would motivate me to join our military is to actually defend the sovereignty of another nation. Most American boys would be honored to sacrifice their life defending actual freedom.
I don't think America's problem are the borders. It is more like other Americans are America's biggest problem when looking at the news.
Dear Ann,
It’ll be any day now that Cuba decides enough is enough and tries to annex Florida. Fins, you better be ready.
So many ‘conservative pundits’ outing themselves as putin shills, I just don’t get it. Is it simply a case of the enemy of my enemy (biden) is my friend? I understand why trump behaves like putin’s bitch but why has it become almost a requirement for these people to toe putin’s line?
How come no one talks about America’s border with the Atlantic. With global warming and rising oceans the Atlantic is stealing American territory right from under their feet.
Doesn’t Finland have compulsory service?
Yep it does
It’s so bizarre seeing lunatics like this talk about your country when they probably didn’t even know Finland existed before this.
moderators in this sub suck
Right Wingers are a fucking disease
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That's exactly what my friend said when I sent him this
Sorry missed the bit where there was an army massed on the American boarder waiting to invade.
It's to stop them leaving.
You dont get it - that is essentially what they believe. Although replace 'military army' with 'army of brown people'.
Why are all the verified people dumbasses?
That's a requirement
Fuck you, Ann, you scarecrow looking basic bitch.
I'm almost impressed at how stupid she is.
Young Americans knew they signed up to be worthless cannon fodder for billionaires when they made their deal with the devil.
The human brain is not fully developed to really understand long term consequences until mid-20s.
Russia has a border with the US now? 🤔
Well there's Alaska - Russian border 🤔
Counting the Diomede islands, Russia and the U.S. are only 2 and a half miles apart. It may be water but that is plenty close to be considered a border 🤷🏼♂️
More or less … a sea border
Because Canada isn't a threat?
I wish Ann Coulter would lose the capacity to speak or write. She's a garbage person, truly vile.
Man, I hope Finland sees this and does just that.... by sending 2 guys, one for each border... with smart phones so they can livestream all the action they see every day. Bonus points if neither if them speak a word of English.
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protect against what? maple syrup and beans?