NYU Professor Says He Was Fired After 80+ Students Complain Class Was Too Hard

  1. Never forget one chemistry professor. He was the only one who taught a certain class on the off semester (fall, not the projected time to take the class).

  2. This reminded me of a control systems professor I had in an engineering school. He was notorious for not having a curve and making tests that would take an average person 2 hours to do but he made you do it in 1 hour. First test and an overwhelming majority of the students failed. I stuck with the class and ended up with a C, and one of my friends who dropped and took the class the following year with a different professor ended up getting an A.

  3. Getting my undergrad, I had to take Diff Eq for Scientists and engineers. The first semester I took it, I happened to get the professor from the math department that was considered the "Math Major's favorite professor."

  4. Thats the same as my college’s Math dept. College has 2 major focuses, one of which was research. A requirement for grant money was you had to teach so many classes per sem. The Math “professors” were researchers with limited social skills and no ability to teach. I had one professor get frustrated when I asked for help understanding a calculus problem he solved on the board without explaining how. Dropped that class, then took it at a sister community college and had the credits transferred back to my main college. A fucking hassle.

  5. I had a chemistry professor who used to spend half of the class ranting about how hard chemistry is and how it’s going to be really tough for us. At least half of the class all semester long. Bitch we know it’s hard but it’ll be a hell of a lot easier if you actually teach us some fucking chemistry instead of telling us how hard it’s is to learn for 30 minutes every time we’re here

  6. I had an intro to accounting prof in college that used to brag about having a fail/drop rate of over 60%. She had taught for a few semesters before my class decided we weren't cool with that. She was gone the following semester. Rumor has it she caught wind she was going to get fired, so she left on "amicable terms".

  7. Had an accounting professor like that. He prided himself on having one of the worst pass % in the school. The guy wasn’t a good teacher and just told stories of himself teaching new hires at a firm.

  8. That is a complete failure by the University. The fact that they did nothing about a professor that passes virtually none of his students is insanity and a disservice to their students.

  9. My current wastewater instructor is a crap teacher (no pun intended). Her PowerPoints are riddled with typos, have tiny, blurry diagrams that she doesn’t explain, and have problem sets that she doesn’t explain (and she berates the students whenever we don’t understand things). Like she says “I don’t know why you don’t get this problem; it’s super easy. -I- can do it!” I’m like no shit, you’re the professor and we’re first year, first semester students. Also her whiteboard calculations are completely all over the place (shoving numbers in random spaces as she gradually takes up up the board), and the board is on the far left side of the room, so anyone sitting on the right side can’t see shit. I have to do everything just by listening. Students in the class agreed that this shouldn’t be a particularly difficult subject but she makes it impossible to learn. She should stick to research. I wanted to specialize in wastewater engineering but now I don’t want to, because I’d have to work with her, and I’m pretty sure I would fail.

  10. Sounds just like my first calc class, except it was at a community college and I have no idea why they kept a teacher who proudly told a class of 40, "most of you will be dropping in the first week". Most did, we ended up with 8 in the class, and half of us failed it. I took the other calc teacher the next semester, got a B. He kept the full class. First teacher prided himself on being hard, but really just didn't know how to teach at all .

  11. My university had a shit Comp Sci prof for years. We all knew he was shit but couldn’t avoid him since he was the only one to teach this course.

  12. Me and friend tried this and it didn't end as well. Professor was a total asshat. He was "teaching" Javascript but he didn't know it. Did the old spaghetti code trick. Proffesor claimed we were a disruption to the class and he pulled us aside and offered us a C if we didn't show up anymore. Then preceded to tell us if we told anyone else of the offer he would deny it. We didn't trust him so we showed up did all work and he gave me a C, my friend got an F. My friend took him to the academic review board and they changed it to a C. Ahh the good ole college days.

  13. I’ve never understood why they do this…? Why become a professor if you’re just going to….purposely fail students? I am so confused…

  14. Damn, I brought up how unsafe mandatory classes in person only for a grade was in Spring 2021 to my dean and she & her assistant said tough luck, take the L. Fucking failed my last semester and had to take a class in the summer.

  15. At a certain level, organic chemistry must be taught well or you lose your students. My last organic chem class, we had a shit teacher. He yelled at us that of the class of 60? Only one student passed the buffer test. Then he proceeded to do question/equation #1 on the board. Took him 15 minutes to solve the question and he made mistakes (which we caught and told him). We were given 50 minutes to do 9 questions, how would passing even been possible?. He yelled at us that if we don’t show up for his Saturday morning extra hours with him, then don’t be surprised if we fail for lack of effort. Never mind the school hosted tutor sessions from grad students (which 15 of us attended on the reg).

  16. I have a cybersecurity professor right now that edits the powerpoints given to him and his edits are usually wrong.

  17. Yes, absolutely. There’s nothing worse than a bad teacher that makes you feel dumb, that takes away curiosity from their students.

  18. Ooh I can contribute to this! My organic chemistry professor was so smart he coded and wrote the program we did our homework on. Tests were open note open web and the class averages were usually near 50%. The year after I finished his class he sold his website to Pearson for a million plus dollars. Brilliant person, terrible teacher.

  19. Missing the first few weeks of organic chem was the reason that i changed majors. No way to comeback from not knowing the basics.

  20. How is it that O Chem teachers are the worst? Mine was pretty similar, class started with about 40+ people in it, by the time the first test was done we had less than half left. I attended so many study/tutor sessions with about 10 other students on the regular as well, and nearly everyone still struggled. I ended up learning more from Kahn Academy and The Organic Chemistry Tudor on YouTube than the teacher.

  21. Had that problem with my Calc III professor, which isn't even that far along in the grand scheme of things. But he never tried to actually explain anything -- he just wrote example problems and expected us to figure it out from watching him write on the board. Then he would look back at the class and say "You see? Let's do another."

  22. except this dude had years of glowing reviews and literally wrote the textbook the class is being taught from. he even made the material easier for them when he noticed they weren't doing well. it was a shit class, not a bad professor.

  23. "I can't get an A in my beginner's photography class because I am a beginner photographer" is something that I would've brought up to the dean... but reading the other responses here makes me think that probably wouldn't have gotten far anyways.

  24. Yep. I definitely experienced that as well. An A for them would be perfection from someone who is a master of the craft, rather than a student learning the craft and doing well.

  25. Exactly. An "A" should mean you fully understood and incorporated the knowledge for that particular class. You shouldn't be expected to operate at a grad school level if the course is an intro undergrad class.

  26. I had an intro to art teacher in high school that gave all the students who weren’t very good As and gave all the students who were good at art Cs. His explanation? He only bothered grading the art of the kids he thought he had talent, but he wanted to motivate them to try harder, so they all got Cs.

  27. Yup, this is wildly dumb logic. You don't grade first year undergraduates on a scale of perfection you'd expect from a PhD/expert, you grade them based on the expectations you set according to the level of the class.

  28. If only professors got paid along the same lies. "You're not a perfect professor so at best you'll be getting 60% of your salary this year. Even if you do your best there is always room for improvement"

  29. Fuckin Chef Instructor failed me for not using the right knife, but had the cleanest carcass in the class final. That fuck was just in it for the pomp and circumstance.

  30. I remember in high school one of my friends was in an AP class and said her teacher was proud that her students constantly failed her tests.

  31. There are some teachers who love actually educating and helping beginners learn new things. Then there are assholes who figure being a teacher is the easiest way to get a sense of power and authority over a group of people and abuse that power to make themselves feel good.

  32. Professors like that are idiots. I don't see how you can make it that far and not realize your students inability to make A's in your class reflects more on you than them. They are much better off passing everyone lol

  33. Dealt with that before in English class. Would only give up to 89% because "if your work is good enough for anything higher it would be published."

  34. I work in education. Never underestimate some people's need to elevate themselves by being better than someone else. This happens far more with my colleagues in the colleges than in the school systems, but it does have its head pop up from in high school.

  35. First day of freshman calc, the professor said "you will have to really, really impress me to get an A in this class." In fucking freshman calc. The kid next to me was premed and dropped.

  36. Some people teach because they only want to do the researcher part of academia, and the teaching part is just the devil's bargain part of their contract with a university.

  37. Reading between the lines, it sounds more like NYU was done dealing with him more than anything else and this was a good excuse to get rid of him. Especially if he stopped grading because he wasn't going to be brought back the following year. You can get away with a lot as a professor, but you have to submit grades

  38. He must have really pissed them off, I've never seen a university make such a strong statement about a former employee. Normally all you get is meaningless PR garbage.

  39. Yeah I’m sure he was doing a lot of other things and this was the last straw they could use to get him fired. I know a lot of shitty professors with horrible student evaluations who never get any repercussions.

  40. Nailed it. Having worked in higher Ed for over a decade, it's damn hard for many institutions to remove bad instructors. So they'll just wait till something happens or there's enough evidence that if the person fights it, there's no question. While I wish it was easy to get rid of people like this, it sadly took this long to get there.

  41. Organic chemistry is so difficult. I think it was possibly my worst grade in undergrad. I had a professor who just didn't care to teach, so that made it worse. I'm glad university's are now considering professors ability to teach as a requirement for teaching.

  42. College professors rarely learn any decent pedagogy. They know their subject to a ridiculously high degree, but that doesn't mean they can teach for shit. Worse, a lot of them are actively hostile to the idea of learning how to teach better.

  43. This is why our human development psych professor got fired. Not bc her class was hard, but because she would stop class to yell at students and not grade anything on time. She also did the whiny “well now I am not doing it!” to grading our final exams.

  44. Honestly NYU should be getting applauded for doing this. Too many professors think the entire job is being brilliant in understanding the material themselves and maybe writing a book. Actually being a good professor involves being able and hungry to convey that knowledge to students. This guy had no interest in doing that and got a lesson - understand and meet all the requirements of the job or get your ass a different job

  45. Literally every person I know who had to take ochem hated it. I would literally cry with that kind of professor lol

  46. This reminds me of an economics professor I had. He was bragging on the first day of class that nobody in his classes had ever gotten over an 85 overall score for the course. He then proceeded to give us a pop-quiz with 5 calculus questions.. in a class that didn't have calculus as a prerequisite.. on the first day... I went up to him after class because I hadn't taken calculus yet (I wouldn't have chosen the course if it was a pre-req, nor would I have been able to), and he suggested a few algebra websites I should visit on my own time to familiarize myself with it. Walked directly to my counselors office and dropped the course. The counselor even mentioned that several other students had similar complaints. If nobody can get above an 85 in your class, thats not a flex, that means you can't teach the material my guy.

  47. I mean, if the questions are going to have calculus that has to be a preewquisite, but I guess in this case the professor went out of his way to put harder excersises and the uni was lazy with correcting him if the counselor was aware.

  48. I'm studying to become a radiographer. One of my professors is such a bad teacher that 13/17 students missed two questions on a test because she hadn't ever discussed it or pointed it out. She counted those questions off of the test and then blamed us, saying essentially that we had learning difficulties and we should seek help. No, the blame falls on her because we weren't properly prepared.

  49. Plenty of professors like this in college and law school that thought it was a badge of honor that their class was impossible. Those were the ones I learned the least from.

  50. Had a Comp Sci professor like this. Intro to Python 101 class. He offered 1:1 sessions to “help” students who didn’t get topics from class that week. Went to meet with him and his “help” was telling me word for word:

  51. If your professor bemoans "grade inflation" at any point during the first couple classes, drop or switch out of that class asap.

  52. OMG. I had Calculus teachers like this... ended up dropping the class from two different teachers, and the third actually had a desire to teach his students and support them when they asked questions. Passed the class with a perfect grade, and it wasn't because he gave easy-A's, he just gave us an opportunity to actually ask questions and get useful feedback.

  53. Happened at my school. Differential equations prof. "If you are not a math major you won't be able to get an A in my class. I make all my own tests and I don't use any of the questions in the book to make them. If you can't come up with the proper way to apply the principles you will be shown in this class during you time limited test you will fail."

  54. My diff eq professor once made a mistake in lecture, stepped back to think, corrected it, and then turned to the class and said “I have made a mistake, I did not come to my lecture prepared to instruct, for that I will be ending lecture early, I’m sorry to have failed you all”.

  55. My Diff EQ professor gave us 50% credit on questions we didn’t attempt lmfao. Least favorite course of all time, gratefully took a C

  56. Damn I miss that class. Still upset I couldn’t figure this one problem out on the final. That was 5 years ago.

  57. I was taking classes at a community college and they didn't have enough math professors so they had a tutor from the library teaching my class. It was basic college algebra of I remember correctly, not an advanced math course. She was very upfront about being inexperienced in teaching. By the midterm, a quarter of the students had dropped the class because she kept putting materials on the tests that we hadn't gone over in class or been assigned as homework. The midterm was the tipping point though. Of the 30 some students still in the class, only 2 got a passing grade, the average score was in the 20s out of 100%. We all went as a class to admin building to complain and drop the class as soon as we got the results.

  58. “If you can’t come up with the proper way to apply the principles you will be shown in this class during you time limited test you will fail.”

  59. My stats professor was like this, and we could only use the most basic calculators. To this day I credit him for the knowledge I have in that topic, was well worth the immense struggle and amount of time I had to put in it to do well.

  60. This happened to me in college and I went to a small, liberal arts school and there was only one professor who taught a required class. I barely passed with a D, but she got fired after my sophomore year. I heard really good things about the new professor so my senior year I opted to retake the class with the new teacher in hopes of earning a higher grade to replace my old one. On my first day of class with the new professor, the first thing he asked us was how many of us had taken it with the old professor, then promptly told us he wasn’t there to make us hate our lives or feel like failures or like we should drop out of school. I ended up with a B the second time around with the new professor.

  61. Man I loved diff eq. It was one of those classes where its just straight pure problem solving. A lot of parallels to orgo really. You recognize a certain pattern and you have a known recipe to solve it. Realistically I felt it was the easier math classes because it didnt really feel like math.

  62. I took this guy for Organic Chem 1 and 2 my sophomore year. From personal experience, he’s arrogant, very condescending, and unapproachable. We had to buy his textbook too because of course we did.

  63. I ran into someone in another sub who said this professor was the only one who didn’t give him an extension when his family member died during finals week. Really sounds like he’s just an asshole who loves power too much and doesn’t care about people.

  64. I had some (STEM) professors where the class average for exams was like a 40. Naturally you can't fail 90% of the class so he curved it so the whole exercise in difficulty was pointless and only served to frustrate students.

  65. From personal experience this seems typical among chemistry professors. Especially the ones closer to the top at the department.

  66. While the first time this story was posted the comments leaned very "stupid kids got dumber. They're all whiners" but I think it's important to note academia is filled with fucking assholes who need to be taken down a peg. Being challenged and pushed with hard material is one thing. But in my years of college I met many professors I just don't respect due to how how they've handled the power they have.

  67. So many profs at NYU make you buy their textbook…. talk about a captive audience. Fwiw some of those profs/textbooks were fking amazing though

  68. Given the academic credentials of the Futurama writers (very impressive) that was a thinly veiled comment on the quality of some of their professors.

  69. I had a professor like this and it fucking sucked. He would go on these rants that had nothing to do with the class for most of the time he was supposed to be teaching and then the grading of tests was super biased and he wouldn't answer any questions about how things were graded. He ended up being fired a year or two after I took his class. Too bad I had to experience that shit before they got rid of him, but I did make a lot of friends because we would all get together to complain about him lmao

  70. I had a professor like that in college. He was rude, dismissive, and once stopped class to yell at a student who wrote a bad review of the textbook on amazon. (He wrote the textbook)

  71. Had a professor like that and the school did nothing despite countless complaints every semester because he was tenured. Literally the only one who taught the required class and he would get mad at you for asking questions. His grading system was also awful, he graded based on class average. So the average grade would be a C. So by design anyone who was below average failed the class. And if you were like my class and had a couple of geniuses who would make that average higher about half the class would come out failing.

  72. It’s interesting that the article I saw about this the other day described him as a “long beloved teacher”

  73. It also says he gave up on the students entirely and stopped grading once he found out he wouldn't be returning. Sounds like a class act.

  74. In my experience (I have had a ton of different teachers), anytime a professor would pride himself on being hard, he was always an asshole. There was one exception, and that guy ended up being one of the best teachers I ever had.

  75. I actually have some particular insight. When I attended NYU I took intro to Chemistry in my freshman year. I did not have this particular professor; my professor was tenured since before I had entered the university. He constantly belittled the students and dared them to commit suicide due to their poor grades. He constantly gave out extremely low grades, and students were afraid of asking for help out of fear that he would publicly humiliate them in front of other students or out-right curse them out (like he did to one female student on the 2nd day of class, she ended up dropping the class that day and never returning). He was also very creepy and had one of the students pass him the coat of a female student when she had stepped out of the classroom to use the restroom. As far as I know he never returned the coat to her. He kicked one student out of lab because he accidentally broke a beaker and didn't let him re-do the assignment. Multiple students including myself complained about him but absolutely nothing was done. Other chemistry professors were a lot better to talk to and encouraged their students to do better. Meanwhile my professor seemed to have a superiority complex and was angry that the university had forced him to teach freshman chemistry and decided to take out his anger at the students. That semester, I was part of the minority that actually passed the class, everyone else was forced to retake it. The professor ended up passing away my junior year, and I did not meet a single person that was sad about it. Some were actually relieved that they would not be subjected to his teaching. If the professor in this article is anything like the one I had, I think there's a lot that the NYT article is downplaying.

  76. The course he taught was Organic chemistry it is known across all schools as one with the highest withdrawal ratings.

  77. I went to NYU. NYU is a business. There’s a joke among some of the students there that the university is a real estate company with a school attached to it. The university administration doesn’t give a fuck about teaching. So I take their statements with a huge grain of salt

  78. This happened at my school in high school. It was a private school and a math teacher unretired and came to the school. My class wasn’t the honors group, but we were the step underneath it in a total class of 360 people. So decently smart doing calc. After the first 2-3 weeks (also didn’t need this class for a lot of college admissions) students just started switching into the college algebra class or whatever it was, or just dropping math all together depending on where you were applying to. When myself and a few others asked to be switched into a different class because this teacher blew, there had been too many students that had left the class, the guidance counselors wouldn’t let us leave. They cited that he couldn’t be that bad. He made it the following year and was fired. This was like 15 years ago btw. It’s not always the class is too hard. There is somewhere in the middle tho.

  79. Look, if 5 or 6 people in a class of 100 complains the class it's too hard, they are probably lazy slacker or just dumb. If everyone complains the class is too hard, you're probably just a shitbag with a God's complex.

  80. Had a prof like this. We went to the department head with our complaints and he no longer teaches that class. However he hasn’t been fired, idk if things are as bad in the other courses he teaches. Hopefully not.

  81. It’s very rare for students to actually escalate complaints to administration. Most garden variety bad teachers just get bad reviews on their end of course evaluations. If 80+ people went to the chair or dean, that’s way, way, way outside of the range of normal.

  82. When I was in undergrad biochem we had a super shitty professor who would do zero teaching, expected us to self teach the material, and spent the entire lecture doing practice problems and would not explain the answers. Almost the entire class failed the first exam and half the class dropped the course en masse, with a huge group of them (and people who stuck around) bombarding the department with complaints.

  83. Lot of times, with hard science classes, the lower level classes are made hard on purpose to weed out people who won't be able to do upper level work...But you should still try to teach the material.

  84. O-chem is one of those courses for pre-med. When I took it like half the class was trying to get into a med school. I have never felt anything like the tension in that room before a test.

  85. This was exactly how my undergrad was done. The professors and TAs were available to help but the hardest classes were out 1st semester to weed out people who weren't serious.

  86. Honestly, I don't know that some of the later classes are "easier", or if it's just that the students who reached that level have learned study methods that help them.

  87. My first o-chem professor warned us that he deliberately made the exams exceedingly difficult in order to identify the truly gifted chemists among the sea of pre-meds who will never think about o-chem again. He also generously scaled so a class average of 30% would be a B-. I thought that was a fine compromise. He got to serve his ego and it wasn’t actually a weed out class.

  88. As someone who lectured at Berkeley, I cannot imagine being 84 years old and still teaching...especially O Chem. Send that man to his backyard with a new puppy and a 12 year old Scotch.

  89. Yeah. I also taught until last year. I’m sure you see it with your colleagues— there’s such a range. There’s the people who are just as sharp as they were 50 years ago, a wealth of information and still passionate… and there’s people who are the opposite. My department had someone who had had steep mental decline and loss of filter. It was awkward for everyone, he struggled to teach well, but he had tenure.

  90. At 84 years old he's close to ceasing to be organic chemistry and then making the transition to becoming just regular chemistry.

  91. The majority of the comments upvoted in this thread side with the “aggrieved” students. There are a lot of folks projecting their own experiences as well.

  92. Believe it or not, the hardest class in my undergraduate career was… Evolution. Not because of the content, but strictly because of the professor. He was an absolute asshat, and I’d been advised not to take his course but I had to in order to graduate on schedule.

  93. So, retired admin from an .edu - expert on program design, assessment, and analysis of student performance. My area was engineering where courses are highly dependent on prior course knowledge - moreso than in any other discipline with possible exception of language and arts performance.

  94. Dude this semester, I've had exams in engineering school with 75-80% failure rate and nothing was done to the professors. It was just accepted that some classes are weed-out courses for students who aren't prepared enough.

  95. If the class is too hard for the majority of students to pass, then he's an ineffective teacher. I took organic chem with an instructor who made us take weekly quizzes and work in groups. His class had a much higher passing rate than old-school professors who only gave midterms and finals. And those old-school professors hated him.

  96. My organic chem professor was amazing. He was a doctor & got BORED with it, so he became a professor & had all these doctorates simply because he was just so bored he needed to keep learning. Being a professor let him do that. He renewed his license every year though just in case.

  97. They are called lecturers rather than teachers for that reason, many lecturers simply don’t care if their students could learn, they always assume the students could self study after lectures. Nevertheless, some classes have minimum outcome requirements, it is quite common for med students or law students to fail a few courses, and we still want to keep the bar high.

  98. It would be interesting to test the class and find out if the Professor was right, and the education had been dumbed down. Give a 35 year old test, and see how the present students do.

  99. In my University we had collections of old exams, with some of them dating back decades. Most of the exam were quite consistent in terms of difficulty, actually some of the professors simply reused their old exams.

  100. Its a hard thing to solve. In my opinion tests should really be standardized. But the main problem then is if you have a shitty professor they don't even have the option of being lenient graders.

  101. As a former NYU student, this doesn't surprise me. The lecture professors that sucked were dismissive and usually had a bad reputation that students recommended to avoid.

  102. I took AP Chemistry in high school. Had a solid A in the class all year. Generally didnt have any trouble at all. Then we took the AP test and I got a 1. The only people I know that passed were 2 dudes who bought the AP Chem for Dummies book and taught themselves the material. Teachers are absolutely responsible for how well their students do in a lot of cases. Obviously there are specific outlier situations but some people just arent as good at teaching as they think.

  103. True story: I had an introduction to chemistry class for a basic freshman requirement in college and the teacher was so bad that students couldn't do better than C, D and F grades even with OPEN BOOK quizzes and tests. He had to make his final grades on a curve to bring them up to A, B and C. At the time, I heard that he had to grade on a curve for all of his classes.

  104. I had a math teacher (don't remember the exact course he taught) like that in college, dude would put shit on our tests that he never even taught us and criticized the class for not being able to figure it out on our own. He stormed out of class one day after he basically told a girl she was stupid for asking a question and everyone in the class basically went off on him for talking to his students that way.

  105. I had a math professor like this, people constantly failed her class, and she refused to help anyone at all. It was a basic algebra class (at a community college for students who tested badly in math) so clearly the people in it needed extra help but she was an absolute bitch. Very condescending, god forbid you asked her to repeat anything she would tear your head off. Tons of people failed it. I dropped her class bc I couldn't follow her, took algebra with another professor and got an A because he was a great teacher and really took the time to explain things in ways people could understand and was very helpful and kind.

  106. I had a professor in college that taught exactly 1 class. His class was a requirement to graduate for multiple majors so you had to take his class to get out of college. I won the "lottery" and was allowed to register for his class before 90% of my school. I got there on day 1, and he didn't have a syllabus. He handed out a too dark photo copied scientific article and said we had to memorize that article, word for word, our first "test" would be to hand write that article word for word the following week.

  107. As a former college professor, let me just put this out there: if every student in your class is struggling, it's not them, it's you.

  108. O Chem is one of the few classes where the teacher needs to be actively engaged with the students or they're not going to get it. I understand. I was used to coasting through classes until I got to O Chem and it was one of the only times I actually had to study instead of cram.

  109. I hate teachers who have the logic that no one deserves an A. I also hate students who don’t understand that C is average and all of you can’t be above that.

  110. When I was a grad student one of my professors was called on the mat because students complained his class was too hard. It was an advanced stats class. The chair called me and one other student into his office and asked us point blank if we thought it was true. We both said no, because honestly, it was difficult but still understandable. You just had to do the work. What they were actually complaining about was the AMOUNT of work you had to do to adequately prepare for the class. Totally different animal. What did they think grad school was all about?

  111. Can’t remember where I read it but there was a comment from a woman who took his class and is now a first year med student at a top tier Med School. She said he was busier showing his knowledge than actually teaching it and trying to convey it to students. She said it felt like they didn’t learn shit. It was her lowest grade in college, a B+, and when she studied for the MCAT and self taught a lot of the organic Chem material she scored in the 90th percentile for that category. I don’t think this is the case of student being spoiled crybabies when it’s only happening to one professor.

  112. Professor is 84 years old. He stopped grading students' work after learning his contract wouldn't be renewed. He sounds like a Grade A+ asshole

  113. It is nuts to me the amount of professors who have never sat through an education course in their life but are hired to teach.

  114. If over 80 people you are tasked with teaching can’t learn from your teaching….like yeah…you should be fired

  115. Exactly. People will complain about an easy teacher (maybe not the students) who hands out As like Candy, because nobody’s really learning.

  116. 80 out of 350 isn't that shocking for Org Chem 1, which is widely regarded as one of the more difficult courses for medical undergrads. I've heard it's supposed to be that way, at least in part, because it serves to weed out students who won't make it through the full program.

  117. I had a physics class in college. It was one of those large classes, like with about 100 students. I had a hard time following the lecture, and he never really took questions probably because of the class size. The first test was the midterm test, and i got 17 points out of 100. I was sure i was going to fail the class. Then he announced the grading: "If you got 16 points or more, that's an A...."

  118. I had a prof for a pass/fail Physics course that was a requirement in a 2 year course of general studies. He knew none of us were into science, so he taught us simply and straitforwardly. I scored Honors. The second half of the class, he was dismissed because he hadn’t published ( he was on a tenure track). The substitute prof was some old guy who worked with Einstein. I failed the 2nd half. Had to go to summer school to make up the credit. Fuck that guy.

  119. The whole point of teaching is to improve a student's knowledge in a subject until they're fluent. Not beat them into submission.

  120. Multivariable calculus. 300+ students (engineering only university). First test had 2 people pass (barely), average was 20, I got a 26. No curve, professor didn't care if everyone failed his class. Teacher is still there, he's got tenure.

  121. One of my in-laws is a biochemist, a tenured professor. Once he gets a couple drinks past him, he'll talk about his students- the good, the funny, the bad, the pathetic. He has often taught the same people in lower-level courses. With experience, most professors can make a pretty good guess on who has the chops, and who doesn't. There's some overlap with work ethic, but the people who make it through, and get to grad school/med school/pharmacy school is close to who you'd expect. But even when he's venting, and tipsy, he talks about the unsuccessful students with respect.

  122. I had a student who complained to my boss that I failed them on a test. He asked me why I insisted on failing the student, I said because the student refused to take it stating they didn't know the answers because they had not been coming to class. My boss said....oh, ok. This was college, a class the student had to pay to attend, and it wasn't like a high end college where mom and dad where footing the bill. Regardless after that experience this doesn't really surprise me.

  123. I don’t know, I went to college 25 years ago. Orgo was always known as the weed out class for Chegs and pre-Med students. There’s a reason I am not a doctor and people way more brilliant than I was at the time are. I’m not looking for a basic level intelligence doctor. There are plenty of other majors for that.

  124. I went to NYU. There’s no shortage of morons there. It’s filled with privileged kids that come from rich schools that had the resources to push them into a prestigious school like NYU. When I first got there I was low-key intimidated by the fact that some of these kids took calc 3 in 10th grade or did internships in research labs connected to their HS. I thought everyone was so much smarter than me. It took me about a month before I realized that these kids weren’t smart, they were just privileged. The average NYU student was no better than the average honors student in my poor ass HS, none of whom got into NYU except for me unfortunately.

  125. I got into NYU but they put me in a program that would "ease me into the rigor of the studies at NYU." Basically you were not allowed to pick a major and had to take a set of classes the first two years because they didn't believe you were prepared enough to move forward normally. What that really means is they thought I was too stupid, lacking direction, and couldn't handle NYU out the rip but I got in for one reason or another (sports in my case). I can't even remember what the program was called but it was so insulting I decided not to attend NYU (that and the price tag *holy moly*). Your comment made me feel a little better. It was really depressing to get into that program. I had taken 10 different AP classes in high school and gotten 5s on majority of the AP exams. I was also in the gifted program high school...so getting into the unprepared dummies major really felt crummy.

  126. Anyone who had him as a teacher can speak to this better than most of us in here, but the NYTimes article about this same story (they had the first piece on it a few days ago) has a comments section full of former students praising him as the best teacher they ever had, and that his passion, toughness, and the rigor of the course was the reason they feel they learned to apply themselves. Is that true? Maybe. In the same comments section are also some former students who say he was cruel, dismissive and drank in front of them. Is that true? Maybe. For what it’s worth, the positive comments from alleged former students far outweigh the negative. Does that make it more true? Maybe and maybe not. But before you dismiss him as being just a shitty teacher, consider that he was revered for decades, and that the majority of the students in the same class supported him only about 1/3 of the class signed the complaint. (NOTE: another commenter correctly points out that it would be more accurate to say that a majority did not join in the petition, which may or may not mean they supported them. It's a fair point.) Consider also that he tried to provide supplemental materials to the students who said they were struggling and that by looking at who had accessed this online material, the students who complained most were the least likely to have bothered to use the supplemental material. I don’t know the truth, but I do have an opinion, and it’s that he was probably harsh, but that a lot of these students felt they just deserved to pass no matter what.

  127. My anecdote is that I once had a really engaging professor, for a natural disasters course. Now, all he would actually do is lecture to the room--going over the ways various disasters occurred, and historical examples of them to drive home how powerful and crazy these things were. The material was so interesting that nearly 20 years later, I remember a lot of it in detail, and it had nothing to do with my major.

  128. I mean it's also a possibility he was a good, tough but fair teacher who left a positive impact on his students lives for decades, but he might've "fallen off" in recent times do to whatever reasons he has in his life.

  129. I wonder what the attendance statistics are like for those who complained the class was too hard, as he actually said in the article a bunch weren't coming and not even watching the recorded lectures. Chances are there's some correlation.

  130. I went to a big state university and the chemistry department lost the ability to write their own exams after not a single student in the Chemistry 101 class got above a D the year before me. There were over 1400 students combined in all the different sections. There were a lot of extremely distraught kids of tiger parents.

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