[Fabrizio Romano] Serie A’s FIGC Prosecutor has ruled that Juventus will be given a -15 point deduction as result of the “Plusvalenza Case”, club’s capital gain violations

wow does this come into effect immediately? if so their season is fucked

yes, but they can appeal. But there's also another trial waiting to happen which might potentially have even bigger consequences

Would take them down to 10th

Pogba curse

They can appeal in the next 40 days. But it cannot change the penalty, at most they can appeal and prove that the trial wasn't conducted properly and thus they shouldn't be charged.

Was watching Bayern Leipzig and commentator said this, wow.. The old lady can forget about the CL next year

CL and Europa as well.

Lmao not having UCL might be the least of their worries

This is genuinely shocking , thought it would be something like 4-9 points max

Co come mai

Remember, this is just the serie A. UEFA Can and sanction them as well. The have major violations against ffp. Could be a couple of year without European games - that’s going to hurt their economy, which is already hurting

And this is even before the trial for the faked accountings, that's in March. Forget CL, they may very well not even be in Serie A next year

its even funnier the second time

Fuck me some of you are funny

Ratatouille :( pure nostalgia. Miss the times when everything was more fun .

Perfect gif lmaooo

Hahahhahahahaaha

That is massive, just as they were turning their season around too lmao

Maybe its a playback for the super League aha , i honestly didnt expect it to be that harsh

FIGC just hates watching Al-legri style

This season??? Here's to Napoli's title chances sky rocketing

The only team that can upset Napoli is Napoli.

Napoli title chances already high up in heaven after their 5-1 victory against this will be deducted Juve

The real challengers are Milan and Inter anyways

Milan and Inter were bigger challengers anyway TBH

juve was not the problem anymore

Juventus had no chance anyway

As if Juve had a chance of winning the chip lmao.

As if they could have posed any kind of threat lmao

INVEST IN NAPOLI STOCKS NOW

Wow. That's their whole season fucked.

Turned out to be quite a credible punishment. Shows what FA and UEFA also could do when taking sanctions seriously

ok so i havent actually followed this thing too closely, is the -15 for that ronaldo wages document too that came out yesterday or is it just the plusvalenze

it's just about the capital gains, they were virtually unprovable and they got off with just a fine, but then the paperwork emerged and they revaluated the issue

There’s apparently a bigger sentence to be given in March for something else. Could be getting worse for Juve

Just plusvalenze.

For that the judge can only relegate the club in case that if those wages and everything else was in the books Juve would not be able to register for this ongoing season

This season is just Neapolitan fan fiction.

I mean the rest of us are happy as well.

Piemonte Calcio time

Back to it again

This is futbol heritage

As a famous Finnish would say: Traditions!

Its the history of juventus

It really is. 2nd scandal in the last two decades.

Calcio eredità!

Wait, I just read Paratici got 2 year suspension? Peak spurs, you can make this shit up lmfao

Wait what

He deserves it he's the centre of this mess alongside Agnelli

correct me if I’m wrong but shouldn’t the right word be demanded. I don’t think a prosecutor can rule anything.

Yes, prosecutor demanded 9, judge ruled 15

The federal court of appeal ruled this

I think this is their sentence but juve can now appeal the decision. The Italian legal system is very complicated and it takes ages to get to a real conclusion

No, it should probably be "judge" instead of "prosecutor".

Go Roma get that top 4 and not lose Dybala

Hopefully we sell zaniolo fast and get a midfielder

Gonna wear my finest suit for the rest of the day

Damn Juventus in shambles

This is the beginning

what arrivabene does to a mf

Anybody got a summary of what this punishment is for?

From what I gather they swapped players with artificially inflated market values. For example they swapped Pjanic (68M) with Melo (72M) from Barca despite them not being worth that much.

Is that for this season with immediate effect, or do Juve start next season with -15 pts?

This season

this one

Starting with -15 would have been endlessly funnier though.

Would feel pissed if I was a Juve player and this happened honestly. You have no involvement in it whatsoever, and your hard work goes down the drain.

Unless you are arthur and basically you are the main reason for this 😝

Fire sale incoming this summer.

Di Maria is probably going to join Acuna and Montiel in wondering wtf they're doing in a second tier league next season

Bremer get fucked

The support from some juve players is looking good on Instagram. These are the players i love to see

And this is only the part about giving non coherent values to players during their sales, which was something really really hard to prove and not so much illegal after all. Now there is still all the stuff about false declarations in financial reports, which presumably is a lot worse lol.

It was pretty illegal actually, just almost impossible to confirm without a direct confession.

It's illegal because Juve is a public company, it's on the stock market. Inflating the values of the assets you own (e.g. players) is fraud. The problem was it ws difficult to prove that a player value has been inflated, because after all who can rule how much a player is worth?

Am I an idiot for thinking a -15 point deduction isn't going to stop them from getting top 4 anyway?

This will anger them and give them all the fuel needed for rest of the season with 1:0 wins

They are still facing trial in March for other worse things.

Breaking news:

Which is so weird because the biggest Plusvalenza or 'capital gain' deal was for Osimhen to Napoli

The other 8 teams were already acquitted, together with Juventus, in May. Then new irrefutable evidence came out against Juventus and this is what led to this ruling.

Paratici was actually wearing a disguise and pretending to be Bartomeu when we sold Pjanic to Barcelona, didn't you know?

Maybe it's because Juve has like 30 of those transfers and other teams only 1-2? Make sense to go after the biggest cheater

This is also the smaller process

Viera and Ibra to Inter?

At least accounting issues should mean fines, not deducting points. But justice in Italy is far from being fair.

They'll end up 10th with 22 points

So this was the real reason Agnelli wanted a Super League.

He made people think Ceferin was a good guy. His biggest crime

This is honestly bullshit.

The basic understanding I'm reading is there is actual proof via recordings of this happening from phone conversations. The allegations in general are extremely hard to prove overall, which is why the other teams (That don't have hard evidence) are getting off easy.

Yeah, this is Juve taking 99% of the blame all over again, and fans of other clubs get to act all high and mighty. Football is a dirty business, and people acting like Juve is the only club doing this stuff is hilarious.

I'm smelling corruption here, absolutely shocking, not that Juve have been punished but that the other clubs have probably done something behind the scenes to get away with it. And the FIGC wonder why average clubs like Spezia and Salernitana with rubbish players are completely safe in the top flight?

Napoli did the exact same thing with Osimhen but they don’t get punished

I feel bad that Juve is the only team being punished. I say Napoli and Inter should be deducted 15 points too, so they don't feel too targeted

Maybe Lazio and Atalanta too, just to be safe. Everyone knows Atalanta is doping anyway.

Holy shit, that’s a huge penalty. Wish the Prem would have the same backbone

Mate, even VAR doesn't give penalties in the Prem

What teams should have been given a points deduction in the prem?

What the hell?! I'm not complaing but this is HUGE. Are they really going after every clubs involved in shady plusvalenze?

Non è una squadra

From 3rd to 11th. Oof.

I love to see when people who try to steal the game from the people like Agnelli eat shit. I feel a bit bad for the Juventus fans but yeah, screw Agnelli and all people like him.

All the hate juve universally gets in italy is because of the Agnelli family frankly.

holy moley

Really hard to understand how we get punished for alleged fraudolent exchanges while the clubs we traded with are considered completely innocent

I think that’s a fair point.

I asked elsewhere but I'll ask you too. Wouldn't this discrepancy be easy to explain by the fact that while it obviously takes 2 clubs for a transfer to occur, Juventus were the common factor in the shady dealings?

We just traded with ourselves, we're that good.

Well there are actual proofs for you, because paratici and agnelli were dumb as a brick, whereas there are no proofs for the other teams, quite simple

this is gonna be a very civilized thread

Juventus fans already claiming this is a conspiracy against them lmao

Yet the EPL goes on

WHY ONLY JUVE?? THAT’S WHY

In before the Juve flairs explain why they're actually not as guilty as other teams in Italy

Players swaps are literally two sided deals, can't be more undeniable than that.

What's interesting about this decision is that FIGC can decide a player's transfer value? So from this point they will check every transfer and decide if it was worth? Why can't the teams decide how much they want to pay? Because selling/buying for inflated prices are not free money. Later you have to amortize more money.

Might as well be, but the others got off scott free, at least I expected it to be a coherent sentence.

And they would be right. Juve got the sharp end of the sword.

Calciopoli discussion flashbacks incoming

This would be incomprehensible for any other club, but Juve bad is the norm so I guess it's fine...

You should know, this is only for the shady transfer dealings, the plusvalenze.

You know Inter were acquitted on plusvalenze on the same grounds as us and your case could be reopened as well, right?

All Juventinis in Italy with their narrative, "we're honest", like 2006, then justice comes. You can do your propaganda and convince yourself your team is a honest one, but you keep getting caught. Why? Conspiracy?

Not conspiracy, just targeted 'justice'. In this case, it's only logical. Unless Juventus was selling and buying players with itself, there must be at least another club guilty of the same charges. Instead, Juventus is again the only club being targeted.

So everyone else is honest yet we get punished for illegally inflating our finances by selling players to... ourselves?

Two completely different scenarios. Not at all comparable.

If only the FA would deduct City points for fake sponsorships and revenues.

Puts them lower mid table, not enough to relegate

This is apparently the punishment for the lesser crime. The bigger one still pending

this is just half of the trial though, it's just about capital gains, there's the issue about pain wages behind the scenes while declaring that the players refused the wages for helping the club. that way they got a much better financial situation, and evaded a lot of taxes

No European football will likely hit their finances hard then compound that with whatever the big punishment from the case in March ends up being and they could end up fucked.

Why are Juventus such crooks? Don't they ever learn from past mistakes? It is not a surprise that so many people hate them. It would be ridiculous if they get sent to Serie B again.

Name a more iconic duo than juventus and cheating

Ignoring the usual idiots on here who breathe only to shit on Juve, I was pleasantly surprised to see other Serie A supporters question this judgement. It makes no sense, for a transfer to occur there must be at least two parties (duh), and the judge declared that all the other clubs are acquitted. Would be interesting to hear the judge explain with whom did Juventus effect these transfers then.

Napoli could be next due to the dodgy Osimhen transfer 👀

Ok so what about the other 9 teams? What about napoli’s Osihmen transfer? Are they also not gonna investigate those?

Pagliacci

"But Doctor, I Am Pagliacci"

A zebra can't change its stripes.

You lot are involved in this too

Spurs better start looking for a new DoF

They tried with that hideous 50/50 kit in 2019.

I was here! 🥰🔴⚫️🥰

Take the H out of your username, and you were primarily the reason lol.

chuckles "first time?"

Ahh its fine. We’ve been here before

Pogba's witch doctor with the reverse jinx.

A -15 point deduction is receiving 15 points...

So where does this put them now? Mid table or relegation?

Mid table

no wonder the club wears prison stripes

Just relegate them man!

Juventus Don't Cheat Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!)

Fuck this fucking league let’s go play in France or Spain or Germany

Bro gets caught of cheating and blames the league

Big deduction, but not a big enough deduction to make them play on a cold and rainy Wednesday night at Drusus-Stadion in Bozen next season..

Top premier league teams don’t get point’s deducted. Agnelli should consider that the next time he speaks.

RIP BOZO

We smoking that Agnelli pack

Its been 17 years 0 years since a major Juve cheating scandal

How is this only affecting juve and not other serie a clubs? Wtf? How does FIGC evaluate a players value? All of the player prices in all leagues are inflated as fuck. How about the other serie a clubs that have demanded big money from Juve during transfers?

They found proof the value was inflated improve the club balance.

Eestory of the Juventus

Lest we forget:

I’m convinced lukaku cycling between Chelsea and inter was also money laundering

Napoli: 1 sketchy transfer

There’s still an appeals process. I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets cut to 9 or 6 points.

It’s the history of Juventus

You literally sold your clubs future to improve your squad short term and still ended up in europa 😂😂

So they just took their score against Napoli and decided that’s how many points to take away… interesting..

Napoli will have sealed the title with a month to spare

Gotta wonder how many players will want to stay with the team if they get sent down to Serie B (assuming they could even stay given their wages)

I have a feeling this might be bad for us, just a feeling tho

You know I was asking to be back in 2000s but not like this

Juventus is STILL cheating, colour me surprised.

I swear Pogba accidentally put a curse on himself.

after appeals Juventus is awarded 3 pts.

Juve ain't no stranger to sanctions.

history of the juventus

-15 point deduction? + 15 points, nice!

Biggest farce ever. This decision is a disgrace. Absolutely disgusting!

Another year of Pogba missing out on champions league :)

Clown league

sure. blame the league, not your club lol

Just close the club

:)

Can someone enlighten me? Slightly out of the loop.

Need to wait for the inevitable appeal to see how this actually ends. But FFS if I feel vindicated for that Sturaro transfer to Genoa.

They better call Saul

Another huge violation. Surely the punishments need to be heavier.