For anyone who points to this and says it’s mental health issue and not a gun issue…I say fine. You’re right. I’m a fucking teacher in Texas. We have 2,000 students and ONE crisis counselor. ONE. And we have a community of students who are raised in single parent homes, have family members in prison, experience drug addiction in their homes, witness friends and family be victims of violence. They desperately need access to regular counseling, and it needs to be available during the school day because we have zero control over their access to it after school.
It used to be that we wanted kids in school, because they’re safer there than having nothing to do and getting in trouble. Nope, they’re safer out of school.
This is truly fvcked up, I read the news earlier today and it said only 2 persons were killed while 11 injured and the suspect was in custody. What the heck happened since then??
Mass shooting are chaotic and getting a good sense of the numbers of dead and wounded take time. Especially as people are rushed to hospital in critical condition.
The fact that abbott confirmed in his press release that the suspect is an american citizen is really telling as far as the first items they decided to investigate.
I'm really sorry. I can't even begin to imagine what you're feeling right now. I hope you're okay, and if you're not, that you can get the support you need.
There’s demons and dickheads in every population, it’s unfortunately human nature. What is preventable is giving them access to guns, and we know who’s to blame for that.
I live in Sandy Hook and know how this really hits a community. This is unspeakable. I truly hope these folks can find peace. I just heard they’re 10 year olds. My goodness.
Ok, 14 students and one teacher dead. So here's how it's gonna go down: thoughts and prayers, national tragedy, our hearts go out to the victims and their families, it's too early to politicize this, let's not use these innocent victims for some governmental over reach, how dare Biden and the democrats try to trample on the 2nd amendment rights, we're not going to do anything, next shooting happens and then repeat because who cares if children die since they're not fetuses.
I came here and posted about fire ant allergies and after I posted I saw this and legitimately had to swallow back tears. I picked my 8yr old up from her elementary school earlier. ANY random town or school or venue can be shot up with sooooo many deaths now and you never know when your kids school might be next. My heart hurts for those children, their parents and the teacher. The entire town. This Country, in general.
The NRA is scheduled to have their annual convention here in Houston this weekend. Despite this tragedy occurring here in Texas, I doubt they'll cancel.
Why would they? They can use this to inflame tensions and get lots of people out there stocking up on ammo and guns because ~liberals~ (jingles keys as a distraction.)
I’m in San Antonio. My daughter came home from high school saying one of her teachers hopes this will be the reason they’ll allow all teachers to carry guns.
Texas Republicans have given the United States the answer to this problem: every state in the Union needs to pass an SB8 bill only instead of abortion it needs to be changed to something like: anyone that sells or helps a person acquire a firearm that is used in a deadly incident can be sued by anyone in that state for a minimum of 10k.
The main issue going forward from the Right will be a focus on the shooter being Latino and then use it as an opportunity to criticize Democrats border policy. This is nothing more than leverage to them.
Anyone want to guess how many school shootings have happened already this year? I'll give you a hint, it's way more than has ever happened in the rest of the world combined - and the years not half way over. Hell, this is the third this month!
When is enough enough? This shit is never going to end. Fuck your thoughts and prayers bullshit. Whoever says” thoughts and prayers” is part if the problem.
This just hit my news this morning in my country. My condolences to anyone who's lost a loved one. Fingers crossed for full recoveries, to the rest who are in hospital!
How does this happen??? How does anyone willingly murder little kids?!? Leave the method aside for a moment. What the hell is wrong with these people that they can do this?
I really don't know. All these people saying "he had mental health problems" and leaving it at that piss me off. I have mental health problems, I've even had homicidal thoughts once or twice. Never, have I ever thought, "gee, I'm so unhappy with my life, time to really ruin it by committing premeditated mass murder at an elementary school".
I always said I was numb to the shootings because of how often they have happened. Yet here I am crying because now it's 18 kids that are dead. And what's so depressing is that I don't expect anything to be done. I expect people who live on the internet to claim this was fake and everyone is an actor. I expect to hear, "don't make this political just thoughts and prayers." I'm so heart broken to think their deaths will be in vain and we're just going to move on from this like we've done in past shootings. I'm just in tears and I'm hurting for these families. It's not fucking fair or right.
I moved away from Texas about a year ago, after being there a few years for work. I still have friends there and emotional investment in wanting Texas to be better.
Please explain to me as an European in Texas, how is this possible? How is it we have laws that forbid sale of beer to people below 21 but an 18 year old can get guns without an issue? You can not open carry a can of beer but can open carry a gun?
A "pro-life" country where NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON is safe and yet abortions are prohibited cause apparently that is immoral. Right??! Literal terrorists roaming around in the country killing innocents EVERY FUCKING WEEK is apparently okay.
Things that didn't stop this mass shooting: school resource officer, good guy with gun, teacher with gun, thoughts and prayers, open carry laws. Did I miss anything?
How many of you brave gun fetish Texans are going to volunteer to clean up the brain splattered crayon drawings on the wall? Or comfort the mother of the 8 year old that was screaming mommy as she choked on her own blood? Come on, man up. Mop up the gallons of kiddy blood in that school. It’s the price you pay for your rights. Easy to be a macho man with BBs if you don’t have to see the destruction your fetish causes.
Fuck. I have previously commented a guide for teen/adult shooting victims, and I've tried to tweak it to address carers for child victims (e.g., parents who lost a child or who are caring for a child who was present). If you're an adult who was present or otherwise develops PTSD as a result of today, you can read a past version
I sure hope that he cancels his speech out of respect to the victims and their families…but something tells me in our political climate, he might go forward with it.
You can't talk about gun control in this country because there's a mass shooting every week and republicans will always say, "It's too soon" And then the next one happens 48 hours later. I hate how desensitized we are to this and I can't help but to think it's part of the republican plan.
When will Americans learn? When a celebrity's kid gets gunned down? The statistic for school shooting must be disgusting. Thank god I was born in a first world country that acts like it.
Where is that guy that screamed "fake news" or "crisis actors" when you need him? We need someone to denounce that Texas even exist in these hard times.
I've already had a discussion where "you fucking democrats can't wait until the bodies are cold before making a tragedy like this political" and "this is the future that waits for Texas if it ever goes blue. You ain't taking my guns. I need them to protect my family" all where said within 5 minutes of each other
I’m sick of Americans saying they’re the greatest country in the world. You cannot be the greatest country in the world when you place so little value on your children
I don’t have a solution but why can’t we do something. Whether it’s a Republican or Democrats this continues to happen. As a Texan I’m sad. This needs to stop n
I have so much to say but nothing that has not been said before, so what's the point? RIP to all those killed today for absolutely no fucking reason. This is a sickness that needs people power to end it.
Fuck mass shooters you fucking incels can go to hell. I’m glad that the one who did it is fucking dead. I’m tired of this shit happening in the country it needs to stop this disease that’s been plaguing our society for years enough is enough.
So when’s the time to start talking about restricting gun ownership, for people who can’t be trusted with one? Can we not follow the Swiss who allow guns only for those trained to use one or at the very least those who can pass basic background and mental health check?
My son is supposed to be starting kindergarten next year, and this makes me strongly consider homeschooling. These shootings are becoming way too common for me to feel comfortable sending my child to school.
We are locking this thread as we feel the first day's conversation about this topic has run it's course.
Sounds like the suspect shot his grand mother before going to the school. Wtf is happening
Sounds like a Sandy Hook copycat.
What can be done to stop this?
Two 18-year-old adolescents, in 10 days, killed 24 people, including several boys and girls.
For anyone who points to this and says it’s mental health issue and not a gun issue…I say fine. You’re right. I’m a fucking teacher in Texas. We have 2,000 students and ONE crisis counselor. ONE. And we have a community of students who are raised in single parent homes, have family members in prison, experience drug addiction in their homes, witness friends and family be victims of violence. They desperately need access to regular counseling, and it needs to be available during the school day because we have zero control over their access to it after school.
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Nah if I pay for other people's health in any way its socialism remember?
These young children were prepping for summer to start in a few days just for their lives to be taken on a random Tuesday. 😭
Trying to picture myself in this situation when I was 8-10 years old. This is legitimately one of the most fucked up things to think about.
It used to be that we wanted kids in school, because they’re safer there than having nothing to do and getting in trouble. Nope, they’re safer out of school.
Abbot just confirmed, 14 children and 1 teacher killed.
This is about 8 months after the legal gun age was dropped to 18.
Note: Texas still doesn't even require criminal background checks for all firearm sales.
I have several friends with kids in this school, I'm fucking terrified right now
any update on ur friends kids?
I pray they they are all safe. I’m so sorry. This scars everyone and it will never heal. Take care of yourself and your friends. I’m so sorry.
What the fuck is wrong with this world. I’m so scared for my kids
16 dead. 14 kids, one teacher, and presumably the shooter. Per the governor.
His grandmother
Abbott's a tool. He said "this won't be tolerated in tx".
They don’t count the attacker
This is truly fvcked up, I read the news earlier today and it said only 2 persons were killed while 11 injured and the suspect was in custody. What the heck happened since then??
Not everyone dies right away from their injuries
Mass shooting are chaotic and getting a good sense of the numbers of dead and wounded take time. Especially as people are rushed to hospital in critical condition.
He’s an American citizen btw, some dumbass guest on Fox News said it was a guy crossing the border illegally
Not surprised they are trying to play that already
The fact that abbott confirmed in his press release that the suspect is an american citizen is really telling as far as the first items they decided to investigate.
Disgusting is not an adequate enough word to describe Fox News
I can't stand that racism, illegal aliens commit less crime per capita than US citizens.
Uvalde is really not even close to the border. What a dumb shit.
Too close to home.
He was 18 years old. He knew what he was doing, fuck him.
The trauma will stay with them for the rest of their lives.
Does anyone know why 90% of the new posts in this thread are hidden? It's making this thread real hard to follow.
I agreee. Yours was the one who wasn’t hidden
Reddit has a feature called crowd control that lets the mods do this. It's explained in detail here:
I’m speechless. I work in education technology and have been to every school in Uvalde ISD and every other district along Highway 90 out that way.
I'm really sorry. I can't even begin to imagine what you're feeling right now. I hope you're okay, and if you're not, that you can get the support you need.
There’s demons and dickheads in every population, it’s unfortunately human nature. What is preventable is giving them access to guns, and we know who’s to blame for that.
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Gov abbot confirmed 14 students & 1 teacher dead.
ABC News in Houston is saying they are getting reports it could be much higher. I'm hoping that's just sensationalism.
CNN just said 15 dead.
I live in Sandy Hook and know how this really hits a community. This is unspeakable. I truly hope these folks can find peace. I just heard they’re 10 year olds. My goodness.
Cannot imagine their fear in the situation and the shocking grief the families are feeling right now. When is this going to stop?
The elementary school hosted 2nd-4th graders, whose average ages are 7-10.
This was days before NRA conference, I’m expecting this to become the next sandy hook “fake news” shooting with crisis actors
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somewhere, alex jones is foaming at the mouth
Fox needs to go bankrupt for this shit
I'm so fucking sick of this happening...
These children were just a few days from summer vacation.
Ok, 14 students and one teacher dead. So here's how it's gonna go down: thoughts and prayers, national tragedy, our hearts go out to the victims and their families, it's too early to politicize this, let's not use these innocent victims for some governmental over reach, how dare Biden and the democrats try to trample on the 2nd amendment rights, we're not going to do anything, next shooting happens and then repeat because who cares if children die since they're not fetuses.
You missed "arm the teachers"
It's like you took the words right out of Abbott's mouth.
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Jesus, 14 children dead and their teacher, as well as many others in the hospital as per local news. I could cry.
I came here and posted about fire ant allergies and after I posted I saw this and legitimately had to swallow back tears. I picked my 8yr old up from her elementary school earlier. ANY random town or school or venue can be shot up with sooooo many deaths now and you never know when your kids school might be next. My heart hurts for those children, their parents and the teacher. The entire town. This Country, in general.
I'm crying, this is not normal. My soul hurts for the victims and their loved ones.
The NRA is scheduled to have their annual convention here in Houston this weekend. Despite this tragedy occurring here in Texas, I doubt they'll cancel.
Undoubtedly also forbidding people to bring guns with them to the convention.
Why would they? They can use this to inflame tensions and get lots of people out there stocking up on ammo and guns because ~liberals~ (jingles keys as a distraction.)
I’m in San Antonio. My daughter came home from high school saying one of her teachers hopes this will be the reason they’ll allow all teachers to carry guns.
They want more good guys with guns at every school.
Ted Cruz is set to speak at it.
Texas Republicans have given the United States the answer to this problem: every state in the Union needs to pass an SB8 bill only instead of abortion it needs to be changed to something like: anyone that sells or helps a person acquire a firearm that is used in a deadly incident can be sued by anyone in that state for a minimum of 10k.
What about a 10k bounty on radicalized young men.
You'd think kids being murdered would be an issue to unite the country and tackle head on.
The main issue going forward from the Right will be a focus on the shooter being Latino and then use it as an opportunity to criticize Democrats border policy. This is nothing more than leverage to them.
They care more about banning what they deem to be "dangerous" books for children than they care for children being murdered or dying from poverty.
The shooter has been detained per Uvalde police department.
Update, he is dead:
Two people are in the hospital including at least one student.
14 dead now...
Anyone want to guess how many school shootings have happened already this year? I'll give you a hint, it's way more than has ever happened in the rest of the world combined - and the years not half way over. Hell, this is the third this month!
14 dead kids. Abbott is bending over backwards to "defend unborn babies' but he won't do jack shit to protect our kids.
That’s actually such a good point. Fuck him. May his wheelchair get stuck on a tree root.
Unborn clumps of cells*
Funny how their God demands action for issues like abortion, but they can only pray when faced with mass murder of children.
When is enough enough? This shit is never going to end. Fuck your thoughts and prayers bullshit. Whoever says” thoughts and prayers” is part if the problem.
The dumbass gop says that mental health not guns are the issue but they don't do anything about mental health either
Schools should have armed guards (but we won't vote to fund it)
Despicable.
This just hit my news this morning in my country. My condolences to anyone who's lost a loved one. Fingers crossed for full recoveries, to the rest who are in hospital!
I wish this was unbelievable, but it's not. Not in this country.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
One of the most depressing Onion headlines to ever be spun off due to it's very sad evergreen relevance
"School Administration Reminds Female Students Bulletproof Vests Must Cover Midriff"
How does this happen??? How does anyone willingly murder little kids?!? Leave the method aside for a moment. What the hell is wrong with these people that they can do this?
I really don't know. All these people saying "he had mental health problems" and leaving it at that piss me off. I have mental health problems, I've even had homicidal thoughts once or twice. Never, have I ever thought, "gee, I'm so unhappy with my life, time to really ruin it by committing premeditated mass murder at an elementary school".
From the sounds of it, the shooter was dealing with some mental health issues. Yet another example of what happens when help isn’t easily accessible.
How about gun control now???
Fuck this fucking shit.
I always said I was numb to the shootings because of how often they have happened. Yet here I am crying because now it's 18 kids that are dead. And what's so depressing is that I don't expect anything to be done. I expect people who live on the internet to claim this was fake and everyone is an actor. I expect to hear, "don't make this political just thoughts and prayers." I'm so heart broken to think their deaths will be in vain and we're just going to move on from this like we've done in past shootings. I'm just in tears and I'm hurting for these families. It's not fucking fair or right.
Nothing will be done, this will be forgotten in a week and I’m tired of it.
Pshhh... Plenty will be done. Abbott will make it easier for psychos to get guns claiming if we just had more of them this wouldn't happen.
To the Texans in this thread, I just wanted to say I'm sorry. I live hundreds of miles away but this still fucking hurts. I hope you're okay.
I moved away from Texas about a year ago, after being there a few years for work. I still have friends there and emotional investment in wanting Texas to be better.
Abbott, Cruz, Cornyn, and Crenshaw are/were scheduled to hype guns at the convention on Friday. Cornyn has now canceled.
America has a problem of denying Homegrown terrorist.
Greg Abbott says 14 children and 1 adult teacher.
After buffalo, i had a haunting feeling that we were going to have another mass shooting here soon. This is absolutely devastating
Everybody should have a haunting feeling.
Please explain to me as an European in Texas, how is this possible? How is it we have laws that forbid sale of beer to people below 21 but an 18 year old can get guns without an issue? You can not open carry a can of beer but can open carry a gun?
Fuck the nra
A bunch of outlets are now running that 15 are dead.
A "pro-life" country where NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON is safe and yet abortions are prohibited cause apparently that is immoral. Right??! Literal terrorists roaming around in the country killing innocents EVERY FUCKING WEEK is apparently okay.
We have tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
i mean we sometimes lower the flags to half mast, isn't that enough?
"Absolutely no way to prevent this" - only place it happens in the world
Omg this is horrifying.....
As someone from Buffalo who has just had this happen in our community. I am so sorry...I wish everyone would do more to prevent this.
Nothing will change, thoughts, prayers and less women's rights is all you get
I'm sick to my stomach right now. As a fellow Texan and teacher, my heart is with everyone affected by this right now.
Things that didn't stop this mass shooting: school resource officer, good guy with gun, teacher with gun, thoughts and prayers, open carry laws. Did I miss anything?
Curious if he’s had contact with police/fbi prior as seems to be the case a few times in the past.
Texas doesn't have red flags laws, psych evals or even waiting periods.
https://abc13.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/
Fucking disgusting.
Saw somewhere else and agree with a slight paraphrase:
It has a bigger death toll then parkland, just heartbreaking 💔
Let’s make this quick:
So let me get this straight.
Stains on this country
How many of you brave gun fetish Texans are going to volunteer to clean up the brain splattered crayon drawings on the wall? Or comfort the mother of the 8 year old that was screaming mommy as she choked on her own blood? Come on, man up. Mop up the gallons of kiddy blood in that school. It’s the price you pay for your rights. Easy to be a macho man with BBs if you don’t have to see the destruction your fetish causes.
Fuck. I have previously commented a guide for teen/adult shooting victims, and I've tried to tweak it to address carers for child victims (e.g., parents who lost a child or who are caring for a child who was present). If you're an adult who was present or otherwise develops PTSD as a result of today, you can read a past version
This is really good advice. It’s also really sad you have this at your fingertips to share every time there’s a shooting. I hope you’re doing alright.
Such a good, thorough, compassionate guide. Tragic that you've experienced this and had to post this advice more than once.
14 children dead but at least Texas children are safe from CRT and gay people.
Probably closed to the press. Also metal detectors at door.
I sure hope that he cancels his speech out of respect to the victims and their families…but something tells me in our political climate, he might go forward with it.
Alright, which one of you didn't think and pray enough?
So fucking sad.
How many children are we willing to sacrifice upon the altar of the 2nd Amendment?
A lot
Well nothing changed after Sandy Hook in Connecticut where 20 6/7 year olds and 6 teachers were gunned down
Well 1 million died from covid and that was seen as an annoyance
According to the 2A folks: every single one of them.
You can't talk about gun control in this country because there's a mass shooting every week and republicans will always say, "It's too soon" And then the next one happens 48 hours later. I hate how desensitized we are to this and I can't help but to think it's part of the republican plan.
More Thoughts and prayers incoming from the "leaders" of this country. Fuck them and fuck the government
Sending everyone in Texas love from over here in the Tarheel State. So sorry this happened to y'all.
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
When will Americans learn? When a celebrity's kid gets gunned down? The statistic for school shooting must be disgusting. Thank god I was born in a first world country that acts like it.
Sandy Hook 2.0. What a fucking disgrace.
7-10 years old. Just babies.
Where is that guy that screamed "fake news" or "crisis actors" when you need him? We need someone to denounce that Texas even exist in these hard times.
There are some teenagers on instagram with the #freesalv supporting the shooter...what the fuck is wrong with people...
Im so glad I dont have children. This country is seriously fucked up
As somebody who lost a friend at Sandy Hook, texas has my deepest sympathies.
Texas is a shithole
I've already had a discussion where "you fucking democrats can't wait until the bodies are cold before making a tragedy like this political" and "this is the future that waits for Texas if it ever goes blue. You ain't taking my guns. I need them to protect my family" all where said within 5 minutes of each other
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I’m sick of Americans saying they’re the greatest country in the world. You cannot be the greatest country in the world when you place so little value on your children
I don’t have a solution but why can’t we do something. Whether it’s a Republican or Democrats this continues to happen. As a Texan I’m sad. This needs to stop n
Gun control when?
Americans don’t care about children, if they did something would be done. The power is with the people, vote!
Sending love from The Netherlands. This is sickening news
This country is a fuckin dumpster fire.
Sorry your governor is a PIECE OF TRASH!
I can already imagine that Abbott is going to blame everything but his policies for this when he speaks at the NRA rally in Houston
Including blaming Joe Biden and the Democrats
How do you look at 10 year olds and shoot. How do you do that to anyone? Especially those so innocent. A monster a truly sick monster
Is now a good time to talk about gun control or should we wait another 30 years?
You know nothing will change in this country
Up to 18 children and 3 adults dead.
Teacher is officially becoming a very dangerous job.
UPDATE: 18 children dead
There is political, personal, legal and all of that deserves context.
DPS Sgt Estrada just reported 19 students and 2 adults killed now on CNN. Sad day.
Congress passed a 10 year ban of assault weapons in 1994. It seems impossible now to think of that getting passed
Wow, Gosar should be impeached, possibly prosecuted for this level of BS... Sad
goddammit
I have so much to say but nothing that has not been said before, so what's the point? RIP to all those killed today for absolutely no fucking reason. This is a sickness that needs people power to end it.
Fuck mass shooters you fucking incels can go to hell. I’m glad that the one who did it is fucking dead. I’m tired of this shit happening in the country it needs to stop this disease that’s been plaguing our society for years enough is enough.
Why the fuck isn’t this all over the front page of Reddit? Are we really this desensitized to children being KILLED in their classrooms?
It was posted to
Sandy Hook happened almost a decade ago and we have shitwads claiming it was a staged hoax walking freely without repercussions.
So when’s the time to start talking about restricting gun ownership, for people who can’t be trusted with one? Can we not follow the Swiss who allow guns only for those trained to use one or at the very least those who can pass basic background and mental health check?
In Texas? You're barking. They're more likely to divert educational funds to arm teachers.
Absolutely heartbreaking! When are people going to get fed up with this!
After sandy hook, no chance. People here just really don't care about kids more than they care about guns.
I am old enough to remember the days when Texans bragged that there won't be any mass shooting in Texas because everybody carries. Good old days!
Same folks who said open carry reduces crime, but it doesn't.
My son is supposed to be starting kindergarten next year, and this makes me strongly consider homeschooling. These shootings are becoming way too common for me to feel comfortable sending my child to school.
Can’t get away from it, just happened at a supermarket.
So ...what's it going to be Abbott???
Mental Illness, another issue that's just used as a scapegoat but not really cared about by the GOP.
Is there any protests/rallys/something planned for today or tomorrow?
There is an NRA convention in Houston in two days. Governor Abbot is supposed to attend.
And nothing will change….again.
Sandy Hook made it very clear that literally nothing will get these people to change. It’s so sad
14 children and 1 teacher. So prolife