Zelensky in an interview with Italian TV Rai1 has confirmed that Macron had proposed him to make concessions to Ukraine's sovereignty in order to come up with a face-saving option for Putin. "We are not ready to lose territory to save something for somebody" - added Zelensky
In negotiations you need to know what one’s position is. What are you willing to do to end the war? So he asked. Obviously this makes Macron look bad, Zelenskyy probably at this point not happy with France I guess. Surely Macron left knowing the answer was not an inch.
That's giving away the birth place of the 2nd most competent French general in history. There would be almost nothing but a white flag left in the French military museum.
As a French it made me laugh, I love how our two countries are now so friendly! Being able to sincerely laugh about those dark times in our shared history is a precious thing.
Fuck Macron. I appreciate France but the time to appease Russia is gone. It's time they suffer defeat. They launched a terrorist attack on the UK and this is payback.
Well, you know... History tells us that appeasement was a real success story for France and the UK back when we (Germans) were the bad guys, so of course he now wants to try to repeat that huge, raging success! What could ever go wrong? Hmm? You mean there was more history after 1938? Aww, shucks!
TBF, the French Army has always been fairly successful.... when it's not led by a Frenchman. So maybe they realise putting a Kraut in charge is their only hope of having military power.
Some of these western leaders don’t get it… appeasement does not fucking work with these strongman, authoritarian type regimes like Putin. The West has been appeasing Russia/Putin for decades, and all it has done is led Putin to believe the West is weak and emboldened him to invade his neighbors.
Zelenskyy doesn't give in to demands and bullying. That's exactly why he has my undying respect. This is how you handle bullies, by not backing down even a single bit.
France and Germany have basically been trying to turn Ukraine into BiH for the past several years in the Minsk negotiations. They never went anywhere and the Russians did nothing but push.
He didn't. He asked the question to figure out where each sides limits were. Macron wouldn't have had the right to tell Russia that Ukraines terms were Russia must leave Donbas and Crimea either. Not without checking with Ukraine first.
I mean it's important to see where Putin is willing to negotiate. If Macron offered him part of Ukraine and Putin said yes, we would know that Putin wants this war over but just can't since he hasn't gained any goals. If Putin still said no, we would know that his ambitions are greater or worse - he is somehow winning a longer game or thinking he is winning
Or maybe Macron can offer Putin a part of France to help to save face of his buddy ? Why not ? How you can negotiate like that being a president supposed a leading European country ?
Yeah, give Putler Marseille, he needs a warm port. Macaron is a weakling. After all, most French had a hard time deciding between him and a neo-Nazi pigwoman. I think that says it all.
As a French in Paris, our Media tells that Macron never talked to Putin in the behalf of Zelensky on this matter. Only have spoken to Zelensky in 1 to 1 meeting about that. So don't pay attention to this for now, nothing that deserve alerting for now.
That's why his every call with Putin lead to an escalation. Dictators and bullies see this as a weakness and it emboldens them to be more aggressive. To Putin this shows Macron is ready to give him something so logically expects to gain more if he does more of what he is doing.
The only reason Macron won the election is because le pen is a fucking lunatic. Most French people hate him. Its getting like the US, you choose from the least shitty of 2 bad options.
Wait no let’s go and invade another country, bomb it to shit, come into cities and rape and pillage , murder innocent people, cause so much grief so much hate, so many broken families, so much that went into this… but no we have to save putins face… the only thing he needs to be saved with is his ugly fucking face to the curb.
Inflamatory and misleading title from an article that didn't bother to translate accurately what was said by either zelensky and macron. Macron never asked Zelensky to give away any Ukrainian territories, everyone in this sub need to chill and speak with facts no with emotions. The Kiev independent need to cut the propaganda
For all the dense motherfuckers here, where did you get that Macron asked Ukraine to give away territory ? cut the shit, all what was said is that at some point diplomatic concession will have to be made to settle durable peace. It doesn't mean that should not be defeated and kicked out of Ukrainian land, and Macron literally said 5 days ago that before anything, russia should be defeated. There is complete speculation of what was being said.
If you have any sense It’s got to be worth trying to avoid a war but Chamberlain was a idiot and thought he could negotiate with a Tyrant, but Chamberlain did have the balls to declare war on Germany, I can’t see macron ever being enough of a leader to do such a thing, even now with all of the sanctioned killing of innocent civilians and all the proof of genocide behaviour he still wants to reward Putin. The pair of them probably give each other hand jobs instead of handshakes when ever they meet face to face, god only knows what must go on in there secret Zoom meetings
Nice French bashing from The Kyiv Independent, it's a clear click bait and you guys fell for it, but you want to find other enemies, Russia is not enough, you want more, you want blood ... you'll come back tomorrow for Germany bashing, or maybe it will be the turn of Turkey.
As far as I can see what Macron did was probe Zelensky as to what the red lines were and if he would be willing to cede territory in a peace settlement.
What the actual fuck is this malarkey and insanity?! Give an exit to a war criminal? Not to mention all the shit around the world that happened on behest of that bunker leprognome. Bunkum and balderdash! Fuck exits, Hague awaits!
How did France end up with a choice between those two idiots? If Russia bombed France Macron would be trying to use words to intercept the missiles. Impotent.
This guy is garbage. Also France has not participate a lot in the military help. France is the 1st army in EU, what a shame. 0,3% of the budget.... Some baltric country participate more than 33%.
Putin fatefully cast the die. Russo/Western relations will never be the same. I like Macron but he isn’t seeing the bigger picture. There is no going back. So long as Russians fail to demonstrate rule by the people they will continue to be a nation of isolated sheep. Suckin on 40s of vodka and enjoying whatever muck they’ve eaten for centuries.
Any concessions now would only embolden Russia. Macron should know how well appeasement works against tyrants. After all, France was humiliated by another tyrant a few decades ago.
When will Western European leaders learn that Ukraine’s sovereignty is not Western Europeans’s to bargain with? When will Western Europeans learn that they learn that they are in fact strong enough to hold off Russian aggression with relatively little investment, and the only real cost being the hypocritical and self righteous attitude that defense is immoral. The rules based bubble in which they live is a good thing, but it must be defended, and it isn’t foolish or wrong for the Ukrainians to want to be a part. For Macron to draw arbitrary lines over which Europeans can be part of the peaceful rules based system and which must be left to the mercy of despots IS immoral.
France has been in an historically unusual military slump. Historically France has won more battles than anyone else. Their recent performance has been far below their historical average.
Macron always has been a cunt acting for himself only. Right the way through COVID he was the biggest vaccine nationalist of any country. Better than Le Pen though.
Tell that prick Macron he'll succeed a corridor into western Europe for Russian rapist troops. Both my grandparents had return trips to France to help them, they can't return the favour.
Where are all these French/German apologists now? They’ve been calling me a “shill” for criticizing Macron. Now we have a confirmation that he actually pressured Ukraine into surrendering. I’m pretty sure that Scholz attempted the same trick to keep that gas flowing. The EU has to move away from the Franco-German leadership model. We need Eastern European countries to play a more prominent role.
I don't see it. The eastern European countries are definitely a mixed bunch. The fact that many were more wary of Russia before, and now can see more clearly in this specific issue doesn't make them moral leaders for everything else. As a matter of fact door everything else most of them are rather lacking.
lol you guys still mad because 20 years ago we refused to help you do in Iraq what the russians are doing now in Ukraine. Have you found those WMD yet?
Please tell me when the US didn't surrender this last half century... Oh wait you probably call that "tactical retreat". Only things US is good at is waging war by proxy (a bit like in Ukraine actually).
The entire French elite come from only two schools in Paris and one University. Thats fench diversity. I think you need to take the same route to understand this kind of logic.
Does Putin have some compromising photos of naked Macron in a pool full of hookers? Or nude photos of his wife? Why is Macron being such a lap dog to Putin all the time? It’s like he’s looking for every possible way to help his mate get out of this situation and pretend to be the saviour of the world. What a spineless creature.
Its not a popular move but a smart one. Not conceding, but figuring out what Russia would take in a concession. If anything its to gauge Russia's ambitions on what territory they think they can actually hold, and with what resources. This also is a test of Ukraine's measure of what territory it can take back. Yes we are all vastly impressed with Ukraine's prowess but remember prior to the war there was much sentiment that Ukraine would have fallen by now. The resistance is very costly and the question of concession must be strategically considered regardless of how unpopular.
At first when I saw this on another post, I reported it because I thought it was trolling misinformation. It seems *I* was the one who was misinformed!
“Save face” what kind of bullshit is that. Putin will save his face even when he loses the war, there’s no doubt about that. Whoever thinks feeding the monster is at all good needs to look at the not-so-distant past. It doesn’t stop anything. Only makes the gains cheap and incentivizes to try again.
Didn’t France learn anything from the last time they tried to appease a dictator? And this is the person that wants to run a centralized European army?
Jesus Christ, I don't remember the names of most politicians (Can barely remember American ones) so I assumed Macron was a member of Putin's cabinet or something.
This Macron asshole is really pissing me off. Pick a fucking lane, pussy. One day he’s backing Ukraine. The next day he’s a Russian apologist. He of all people should know what conceding land to a murderous dictator leads to. He’s totally living up to the “The French are cheese-eatin’ surrender monkeys” stereotype.
Woooowww what a fucking pussy. This is literally appeasement. Appeasement doesn't fucking work!!!! They already tried it with Crimea and here we are 8 years later!!!!! They tried it with Hitler 75+ years ago and it didn't fucking work! Fuck Macron.
Hello
Fuck Putin's face.
Putin's face fucked itself
I rather not...
It's fucked already. Little bloated round face looks miserable by default.
No don’t. His face may be more contagious than covid
Which face? Be more specific.
Give him the ol' Sawed-Off Skullfuck
Gun in mouth bullet through skull does a nice job of fucking up a face
As if putin would honor any agreement.
Yup, this.
Zelensky in an interview with Italian TV Rai1 has confirmed that Macron had proposed him to make concessions to Ukraine's sovereignty in order to come up with a face-saving option for Putin. "We are not ready to lose territory to save something for somebody" - added Zelensky
How much territory is France willing to cede to Russia for peace?
Sorry but... where did you see that?
How about Russia/Putin leave Ukraine, release and deliver all detained citizens of Ukraine currently held in Russia and leave Crimea!
In negotiations you need to know what one’s position is. What are you willing to do to end the war? So he asked. Obviously this makes Macron look bad, Zelenskyy probably at this point not happy with France I guess. Surely Macron left knowing the answer was not an inch.
Good, glad Zelensky is being blunt about this. Fuck you Macron, you imbecile.
Good answer from him
"Macron proposed Zelensky to make concessions"
He can have Corsica. Astounding sea, warm climate, wine and cheese way better than Crimea.
He may face some issue with the locals
That's giving away the birth place of the 2nd most competent French general in history. There would be almost nothing but a white flag left in the French military museum.
Corsica deserves independence
As a German I want a bit of France, to save face
As a French it made me laugh, I love how our two countries are now so friendly! Being able to sincerely laugh about those dark times in our shared history is a precious thing.
Nervous laughter
Alsace Lorraine: Oh no, here we go again
Isn't it past time to trade Alsace Lorraine for a couple of decades before switching it once again? 😉
How about the north and west coasts, leave them the south.
Flashbacks.
Fuck Macron. I appreciate France but the time to appease Russia is gone. It's time they suffer defeat. They launched a terrorist attack on the UK and this is payback.
Why didn’t Macron offer to gift Paris to Russia?
Fun fact: there is a metro stop named Stalingrad in Paris. Maybe that would fit right here.
Most French people outside of Paris would actually consider that a win
And the French want to lead a European Union army....
Well, you know... History tells us that appeasement was a real success story for France and the UK back when we (Germans) were the bad guys, so of course he now wants to try to repeat that huge, raging success! What could ever go wrong? Hmm? You mean there was more history after 1938? Aww, shucks!
TBF, the French Army has always been fairly successful.... when it's not led by a Frenchman. So maybe they realise putting a Kraut in charge is their only hope of having military power.
France want a European Union army, we don't want to lead it, at all.
100% this. There is no negotiating, no end or any peace in sight.
Macron should be talking to Putin. He started this.
Idiot. The times of diplomacy and "saving face" are long gone in our part of the world.
Yup, complete and utter humiliation is all that remains for Putin now.
Some of these western leaders don’t get it… appeasement does not fucking work with these strongman, authoritarian type regimes like Putin. The West has been appeasing Russia/Putin for decades, and all it has done is led Putin to believe the West is weak and emboldened him to invade his neighbors.
Macrons’s a posturing egomaniac. He’s got no fucking idea what Putin is and how he will get played.
Zelenskyy doesn't give in to demands and bullying. That's exactly why he has my undying respect. This is how you handle bullies, by not backing down even a single bit.
What's up with these countries thinking that they can decide what is best for Ukraine.....
Like they did for the Minsk agreements?
As an Eastern European, I can say that they have been acting like this in the last 30 years
France and Germany have basically been trying to turn Ukraine into BiH for the past several years in the Minsk negotiations. They never went anywhere and the Russians did nothing but push.
What's up with these politicians* thinking they can decide what is best for Ukraine.....
He didn't. He asked the question to figure out where each sides limits were. Macron wouldn't have had the right to tell Russia that Ukraines terms were Russia must leave Donbas and Crimea either. Not without checking with Ukraine first.
I mean it's important to see where Putin is willing to negotiate. If Macron offered him part of Ukraine and Putin said yes, we would know that Putin wants this war over but just can't since he hasn't gained any goals. If Putin still said no, we would know that his ambitions are greater or worse - he is somehow winning a longer game or thinking he is winning
Or maybe Macron can offer Putin a part of France to help to save face of his buddy ? Why not ? How you can negotiate like that being a president supposed a leading European country ?
Someone needs to slap mr Macron so he stops his bullshit.
Yeah, give Putler Marseille, he needs a warm port. Macaron is a weakling. After all, most French had a hard time deciding between him and a neo-Nazi pigwoman. I think that says it all.
Probably the same reason France was one of the nation’s that blocked Ukraine from joining NATO
As a French in Paris, our Media tells that Macron never talked to Putin in the behalf of Zelensky on this matter. Only have spoken to Zelensky in 1 to 1 meeting about that. So don't pay attention to this for now, nothing that deserve alerting for now.
We'd gladly offer Putin Corsica don't worry. Only problem is that he'd want to give it back after a week :-/
On DWnews yesterday Tyson Barker said the US usually leave an option like this on the table but they only have 3 priorities now:
Since when did this become a negotiation?!
No appeasement. It won't make him stop, ever.
My reaction to Macron:
That's why his every call with Putin lead to an escalation. Dictators and bullies see this as a weakness and it emboldens them to be more aggressive. To Putin this shows Macron is ready to give him something so logically expects to gain more if he does more of what he is doing.
Putin humilated Macron by making him sit at the opposite end of that long table, yet Macron still wants to suck up to him!
Correct.
Maybe he should offer Russia some of France before he tries giving away someone else's land.
I think appeasement has shown itself to be a poisonous strategy in the past… or did idiot Mac skipped all the history lessons?
Busy with his teacher maybe?
Yeah lol offering a piece of land to appease an agressive expansionist dictator.
Ukraine isn't macrons to offer .
Zero context and a headline to generate clicks. 😐
https://youtu.be/AaA0K07vFR0?t=1019
For fucks sake macron, just sit in the corner and shut up.
Seriously, this fucking tool is undermining the west’s collective efforts when he runs his dumb fucking mouth like this.
Macron has no right to decide if Ukraine should make concessions.
Macron just needs to fuck off. Putin doesn't give a shit about him or take him seriously.
The only reason Macron won the election is because le pen is a fucking lunatic. Most French people hate him. Its getting like the US, you choose from the least shitty of 2 bad options.
I got downvoted here a few days ago for calling macron a moron…
How about you offer him some of France?
We'd gladly offer Putin Corsica don't worry. Only problem is that he'd want to give it back after a week :-/
That's not his call to make, it's not his country.
Wait no let’s go and invade another country, bomb it to shit, come into cities and rape and pillage , murder innocent people, cause so much grief so much hate, so many broken families, so much that went into this… but no we have to save putins face… the only thing he needs to be saved with is his ugly fucking face to the curb.
As if Macron gets to decide the fate of Ukraine? Fuckoff.
How France ended up with such candidates for Presidents as Macron and Le Pen. Seems French people totally lost their hand in government
be careful of context, I don't see any here
Marcon I a complete asshole for thinking he can say this. Offer a piece of France instead! Or is Ukraines sovereignty less important to him.
Way to overcome the stereotype of the French being a bunch of surrender monkeys, Emmanuel.
I’m sorry, is he offering up pieces of France? Otherwise we don’t want another useless Minsk agreement you set up last time
Minsk agreements brought us here.
I'm sure there are a few of others worth talking to. Finland may have some understanding of the issues involved with a long frontier with Russia ?
I'm French, therefore highly interested... but can't seem to find track of this news except in this post. Can someone help?
Typical Americans engaging in french-bashing with no basis in fact. We're used to it.
https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-macron-asked-ukraine-concession-help-putin-save-face/
Since when American fatasses need sources to recycle their "cheesing eating surrender monkey" nonsense?
How about Macron cede some French territory to appease Putin?
Yeah don't worry as I said we'd gladly offer Putin Corsica don't worry. Only problem is that he'd want to give it back after a week :-/
Inflamatory and misleading title from an article that didn't bother to translate accurately what was said by either zelensky and macron. Macron never asked Zelensky to give away any Ukrainian territories, everyone in this sub need to chill and speak with facts no with emotions. The Kiev independent need to cut the propaganda
For all the dense motherfuckers here, where did you get that Macron asked Ukraine to give away territory ? cut the shit, all what was said is that at some point diplomatic concession will have to be made to settle durable peace. It doesn't mean that should not be defeated and kicked out of Ukrainian land, and Macron literally said 5 days ago that before anything, russia should be defeated. There is complete speculation of what was being said.
CoughNeville Chamberlain!Cough
I'll have the appeasement salad and please send the Czech to Germany.
If you have any sense It’s got to be worth trying to avoid a war but Chamberlain was a idiot and thought he could negotiate with a Tyrant, but Chamberlain did have the balls to declare war on Germany, I can’t see macron ever being enough of a leader to do such a thing, even now with all of the sanctioned killing of innocent civilians and all the proof of genocide behaviour he still wants to reward Putin. The pair of them probably give each other hand jobs instead of handshakes when ever they meet face to face, god only knows what must go on in there secret Zoom meetings
Oh wow, someone actually had history class here...
How utterly presumptive of him.
The Kyiv Independant should be more careful with the use of Google Translate.
Can you translate what he said. Since I (and many others here) don't know Italian
Nice French bashing from The Kyiv Independent, it's a clear click bait and you guys fell for it, but you want to find other enemies, Russia is not enough, you want more, you want blood ... you'll come back tomorrow for Germany bashing, or maybe it will be the turn of Turkey.
As far as I can see what Macron did was probe Zelensky as to what the red lines were and if he would be willing to cede territory in a peace settlement.
What the actual fuck is this malarkey and insanity?! Give an exit to a war criminal? Not to mention all the shit around the world that happened on behest of that bunker leprognome. Bunkum and balderdash! Fuck exits, Hague awaits!
HAVE macron give part of France to Russia.
As Bart Simpson once called them, Cheese eating surrender monkeys!
That was groundskeeper Willie
How did France end up with a choice between those two idiots? If Russia bombed France Macron would be trying to use words to intercept the missiles. Impotent.
Their only decent candidate (Yannick Jadot) got 5% of the vote.
If Russia bombed France, Macaroni would follow the standard French doctrine as described in 'French Tactics 101: Surrender signals and you'.
Macron should offer the French Riviera, since a lot of it is already bought up by russian oligarchs.
This guy is garbage. Also France has not participate a lot in the military help. France is the 1st army in EU, what a shame. 0,3% of the budget.... Some baltric country participate more than 33%.
Give russia the body's of its citizens and not a damn thing else. Fuck Russia!
This is not have a peace agreement is functioning!
Putin fatefully cast the die. Russo/Western relations will never be the same. I like Macron but he isn’t seeing the bigger picture. There is no going back. So long as Russians fail to demonstrate rule by the people they will continue to be a nation of isolated sheep. Suckin on 40s of vodka and enjoying whatever muck they’ve eaten for centuries.
Any concessions now would only embolden Russia. Macron should know how well appeasement works against tyrants. After all, France was humiliated by another tyrant a few decades ago.
Huh.... I don't want another Munich agreement. If France wants to, it can give up its own territory to Russia.
Saving face? Next Putin decides to attack Finland, fails but is sill offered a piece just to save face again?
What specifically do we all (in the west) need to concern ourselves about Putin’s face
Pathetic
Zelenskyy has said 100 fucking times that Ukraine wouldn't give up an inch of land. Macron does not listen.
When will Western European leaders learn that Ukraine’s sovereignty is not Western Europeans’s to bargain with? When will Western Europeans learn that they learn that they are in fact strong enough to hold off Russian aggression with relatively little investment, and the only real cost being the hypocritical and self righteous attitude that defense is immoral. The rules based bubble in which they live is a good thing, but it must be defended, and it isn’t foolish or wrong for the Ukrainians to want to be a part. For Macron to draw arbitrary lines over which Europeans can be part of the peaceful rules based system and which must be left to the mercy of despots IS immoral.
The french war museum is very small, all it holds is a white flag.
France has been in an historically unusual military slump. Historically France has won more battles than anyone else. Their recent performance has been far below their historical average.
They are used to surrender , so its easy to talk about it
That is not anything Macron can offer. He oughta stick to his wheelhouse, the wheelhouse IN FRANCE.
Macron always has been a cunt acting for himself only. Right the way through COVID he was the biggest vaccine nationalist of any country. Better than Le Pen though.
Tell that prick Macron he'll succeed a corridor into western Europe for Russian rapist troops. Both my grandparents had return trips to France to help them, they can't return the favour.
Good old France, it’s not even their war and they are already trying to get someone to surrender. Fuck me.
Why would Macron care about Putins face?
Macron is a rat
Where are all these French/German apologists now? They’ve been calling me a “shill” for criticizing Macron. Now we have a confirmation that he actually pressured Ukraine into surrendering. I’m pretty sure that Scholz attempted the same trick to keep that gas flowing. The EU has to move away from the Franco-German leadership model. We need Eastern European countries to play a more prominent role.
If you have thé cash, go ahead.
I don't see it. The eastern European countries are definitely a mixed bunch. The fact that many were more wary of Russia before, and now can see more clearly in this specific issue doesn't make them moral leaders for everything else. As a matter of fact door everything else most of them are rather lacking.
With what money?
I think it's hilarious how "surrender" is always the default go to for the French.
lol you guys still mad because 20 years ago we refused to help you do in Iraq what the russians are doing now in Ukraine. Have you found those WMD yet?
Punch it!
surrendering - what the French do best
What a joke, Fu macron
Fuck off Marcon you swine shit bag , it’s no more your call than the president of Peru’s call
This has been denied by the French Presidency, (you can stop stupid french bashing )
You'll notice how that is worded.
Nothing more French than surrendering.
Please tell me when the US didn't surrender this last half century... Oh wait you probably call that "tactical retreat". Only things US is good at is waging war by proxy (a bit like in Ukraine actually).
Bit weird for Macron or weird headline .. it’s like he thinks he is somehow a representative of Ukraine .
The entire French elite come from only two schools in Paris and one University. Thats fench diversity. I think you need to take the same route to understand this kind of logic.
Never give up your land Ukraine!
France: Have you considered surrendering a bit?
Just ask him, what part of France does he want to give to pootin
I don't understand Macron. Sometimes he's so supportive, but sometimes not. There's something wrong about him
Of course he did, it's not his land and there are not his life savings!
Does Putin have some compromising photos of naked Macron in a pool full of hookers? Or nude photos of his wife? Why is Macron being such a lap dog to Putin all the time? It’s like he’s looking for every possible way to help his mate get out of this situation and pretend to be the saviour of the world. What a spineless creature.
macron behaves like a russian agent, sholts treat him like he deserves respect, only big european leader acting as expected is boris johnson
Cue Macron's next infantile withdrawal of the French ambassador, his usual response to attacks on his prestige (Italy, Turkey, USA, Australia).
Uh, so Macron is denying Ukraine it’s sovereign rights, which is what Putin is doing
Told you guys a while back, careful with France, they are not to be trusted.
Goddamn french cheese eating surrender monkey
Its not a popular move but a smart one. Not conceding, but figuring out what Russia would take in a concession. If anything its to gauge Russia's ambitions on what territory they think they can actually hold, and with what resources. This also is a test of Ukraine's measure of what territory it can take back. Yes we are all vastly impressed with Ukraine's prowess but remember prior to the war there was much sentiment that Ukraine would have fallen by now. The resistance is very costly and the question of concession must be strategically considered regardless of how unpopular.
It would be rewarding a war criminal and letting him get away with it.
The spineless legacy of stereotypical France continues
Well crap. People are negotiating Ukrainian sovereignty who aren't elected leaders in Ukrainian?
France
I think other countries need to leave it to Ukraine 🇺🇦 to decide, not a Frenchman.
Our damned President is Putin fuckboy, and we reelected him "to stop fascim". The hell is wrong with French people?
I think their alternative was a literal Russian puppet unfortunately. Lack of options is a terrible thing.
What is wrong with Macron, for real.
Chamberlain reincarnated. Fuck both those guys.
At first when I saw this on another post, I reported it because I thought it was trolling misinformation. It seems *I* was the one who was misinformed!
“Save face” what kind of bullshit is that. Putin will save his face even when he loses the war, there’s no doubt about that. Whoever thinks feeding the monster is at all good needs to look at the not-so-distant past. It doesn’t stop anything. Only makes the gains cheap and incentivizes to try again.
Fuck that. All this to save Putins face? No fucking way.
Part of being the go between is checking with each side what the terms are. Macron asked the question, he didn't try to make a decision for Ukraine.
Nothing like asking someone else to give up their sovereignty to appease a third party.
Macron is really managing to look dumb throughout all of this. Better than Le Penn, but damn.
Macron should remember appeasement doesn’t work. Only courage defends freedom and the Ukrainians are the clearest example.
Macron needs a slap across the cheek.
It is always easier to give away something that does not belong to you. Stay home Macron!
Of course France says to give the fascists what the want….
Macron really not helping Frances war stereotype
He fucking what?
Didn’t France learn anything from the last time they tried to appease a dictator? And this is the person that wants to run a centralized European army?
Macron should offer Alsace Lorraine
Wtf?
Jesus Christ, I don't remember the names of most politicians (Can barely remember American ones) so I assumed Macron was a member of Putin's cabinet or something.
Maybe he could offer something from France. That would be fantastic gift to Putin. No?
Why would you make concessions to the murderers on your doorstep who appear to be going in reverse? Fuck Russia & fuck Macron.
This Macron asshole is really pissing me off. Pick a fucking lane, pussy. One day he’s backing Ukraine. The next day he’s a Russian apologist. He of all people should know what conceding land to a murderous dictator leads to. He’s totally living up to the “The French are cheese-eatin’ surrender monkeys” stereotype.
Absolutely not
Ukraine can agree not to invade Moscow, seems like a good enough concession.
Woooowww what a fucking pussy. This is literally appeasement. Appeasement doesn't fucking work!!!! They already tried it with Crimea and here we are 8 years later!!!!! They tried it with Hitler 75+ years ago and it didn't fucking work! Fuck Macron.
Macron is an idiot.